Aw, bummer! Camp Hi Hill is where I learned to be a man!
LB City Girl
· 1 year ago
Our school announced last spring that we probably wouldn't be getting Camp Hi Hill in the future, or if we did it would be several hundred dollars per student, instead of just the $75 for food. Personally, I'd pay the increased cost for my remaining student to have the Camp Hi Hill experience.
Jason
· 1 year ago
Multiple anchor babies eventually grow up, and they don't pay for themselves, people!
Diana Bosetti
· 1 year ago
Jason: Is it really necessary to continually revert to this shallow and nonsensical "anchor baby" argument? I would have thought you would have grown tired of that by now -- particularly after going that route in regards to the Robert Garcia story. This story is more about disclosure, or lack thereof, by the Long Beach Unified School District. True, I do raise the question in the story about whether some kids might have received first priority in going to camp, but that's because I think most people would agree that all 5th grade students, regardless of their immigration status, should be treated equally. There are forums for debating the effects of immigration in the U.S., but this is hardly one of them.
Jason
· 1 year ago
Diana, your casual dismissal of an important element in our economy is the only nonsensical and shallow rhetoric I can perceive, but I can understand your method of reasoning: If Diana can't see it, if Diana cannot understand it, it JUST CAN'T BE! The negative economic outcome of our open border policy, I'm afraid, goes beyond the abstractions for your political beliefs, and carries into the real world of our overwhelmed educational system, and if that's boring to you, perhaps you should abstain from reading the comments section, and take up needlepoint. It's very relaxing for certain kinds of people, I am told.
I_Come_In_Peace
· 1 year ago
OK Jason,
If I may, let me momentarily take a page out of your playbook, aka. "Let's take great liberties in logic and common sense in order to sway the undecided folks."
According to our hereby ordained "Border Czar Jason", if you're poor, you're here illegally. If your folks cannot afford an apartment other than in the LB-DMZ, well, shucks, they must have walked here from El Salvador.
BCJ -- I'm abbreviating -- is that how it works?
If they (ie. inner city kids, regardless of their status) have a right to a publicly funded education, shouldn't they also have an equal right to have that education include a field trip to Camp Hi-Hill?
I'm thinking not, from a LBUSD perspective. I'm thinking that those underpriviliged folks have bigger fish to fry than to vent on websites or complain at Board of Education meetings.
Gee, I wonder whether the LBUSD Administrators know that all too well......
John_B
· 1 year ago
Jason: Your original premise here: that “anchor babies…don’t pay for themselves” is patently false. As a percentage of the population, children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrant parents are no less productive or contributory to our society than those born to legal residents or citizens.
Lest you’ve forgotten, such children are, in point of fact, natural born United States citizens and just as deserving as you are of all of the rights and privileges offered by this greatest of nations.
In point of fact the children you mention provide a much-needed and extremely valuable link between our society and their immigrant parents and help the latter to acculturate far faster than they might otherwise.
Successful acculturation is key for such adult immigrants, regardless of legal status, because in accomplishing this they become far more productive and contributory to our society in their own right.
Argue that LBUSD just didn’t have the money to maintain its Special Use permit at Camp Hi Hill if you like. Argue that part of the reason LBUSD is cash-strapped is because our District serves a number of students who were born here to illegal immigrant parents if you must.
But to make a leap from those truths to a statement like “anchor babies…don’t pay for themselves” does everyone, especially yourself, a grave disservice and lends nothing intelligent to the dialog.
Your insistence upon repeatedly asserting such, and similar, fallacies speaks not only to what I feel is your ignorance but your bigotry as well.
I happen to join with Diana in her belief that LBUSD actually has all of the money it needs; it simply misspends a great deal of it. I lay the blame for this misfeasance squarely at the feet of our current LBUSD Board, which is charged with, among other things, the responsible fiscal management of our District.
Ultimately, however, we have no one to blame but ourselves for it is we, the electorate, that are ultimately responsible for the overall performance of all aspects of our government.
Diana Bosetti
· 1 year ago
Jason: Wow, touche. I must admit that I like your wit. I do agree with you that illegal immigration has, and continues to create problems in myriad areas of our day to day living. However, I don't necessarily make the leap that all underprivileged kids are here illegally, nor do I believe that the school district can't afford to send kids to camp because of potential illegal immigrants. From what I can tell from previous posts, you appear to have almost a knee-jerk reaction to blame so-called "anchor babies" for every social ill, which makes me nervous. I start to wonder, then, what your possible solution might be: that ICE go into every elementary school classroom, hog-tie the kids and throw them into detention camps? My point is that there are other ways to tackle illegal immigration -- such as through tougher sanctions, beefed-up border control, etc. Also, it's critically important that we not forget that our elected officials and school district officials were major contributors to getting us in this financial mess in the first place. Why is it that enrollment keeps declining, yet they keep asking for more and more money? Might they need to do some serious cost cutting at the top? I only ask that you not give our elected officials and school administrators such an easy scapegoat.
Also, if 5th grade camp has been shortened due to budgetary issues and failed lease negotiations, then give it to us straight. I find that the whole truth is always better than putting forward a feel-good message that's only partly true. School district officials love to appear as if they are making every decision "for the kids.' But unfortunately, I don't believe that is always their primary motive.
By the way, my grandmother tried to teach me to needlepoint, and I was terrible at it. So, I'm afraid you're stuck with me.
Paul
· 1 year ago
Just open up the borders. It won't hurt anything. I love Mexico, South and Central America.
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Personally, I'd pay the increased cost for my remaining student to have the Camp Hi Hill experience.
If Diana can't see it, if Diana cannot understand it, it JUST CAN'T BE!
The negative economic outcome of our open border policy, I'm afraid, goes beyond the abstractions for your political beliefs, and carries into the real world of our overwhelmed educational system, and if that's boring to you, perhaps you should abstain from reading the comments section, and take up needlepoint.
It's very relaxing for certain kinds of people, I am told.
If I may, let me momentarily take a page out of your playbook, aka. "Let's take great liberties in logic and common sense in order to sway the undecided folks."
According to our hereby ordained "Border Czar Jason", if you're poor, you're here illegally. If your folks cannot afford an apartment other than in the LB-DMZ, well, shucks, they must have walked here from El Salvador.
BCJ -- I'm abbreviating -- is that how it works?
If they (ie. inner city kids, regardless of their status) have a right to a publicly funded education, shouldn't they also have an equal right to have that education include a field trip to Camp Hi-Hill?
I'm thinking not, from a LBUSD perspective. I'm thinking that those underpriviliged folks have bigger fish to fry than to vent on websites or complain at Board of Education meetings.
Gee, I wonder whether the LBUSD Administrators know that all too well......
Lest you’ve forgotten, such children are, in point of fact, natural born United States citizens and just as deserving as you are of all of the rights and privileges offered by this greatest of nations.
In point of fact the children you mention provide a much-needed and extremely valuable link between our society and their immigrant parents and help the latter to acculturate far faster than they might otherwise.
Successful acculturation is key for such adult immigrants, regardless of legal status, because in accomplishing this they become far more productive and contributory to our society in their own right.
Argue that LBUSD just didn’t have the money to maintain its Special Use permit at Camp Hi Hill if you like. Argue that part of the reason LBUSD is cash-strapped is because our District serves a number of students who were born here to illegal immigrant parents if you must.
But to make a leap from those truths to a statement like “anchor babies…don’t pay for themselves” does everyone, especially yourself, a grave disservice and lends nothing intelligent to the dialog.
Your insistence upon repeatedly asserting such, and similar, fallacies speaks not only to what I feel is your ignorance but your bigotry as well.
I happen to join with Diana in her belief that LBUSD actually has all of the money it needs; it simply misspends a great deal of it. I lay the blame for this misfeasance squarely at the feet of our current LBUSD Board, which is charged with, among other things, the responsible fiscal management of our District.
Ultimately, however, we have no one to blame but ourselves for it is we, the electorate, that are ultimately responsible for the overall performance of all aspects of our government.
Wow, touche. I must admit that I like your wit. I do agree with you that illegal immigration has, and continues to create problems in myriad areas of our day to day living. However, I don't necessarily make the leap that all underprivileged kids are here illegally, nor do I believe that the school district can't afford to send kids to camp because of potential illegal immigrants. From what I can tell from previous posts, you appear to have almost a knee-jerk reaction to blame so-called "anchor babies" for every social ill, which makes me nervous. I start to wonder, then, what your possible solution might be: that ICE go into every elementary school classroom, hog-tie the kids and throw them into detention camps? My point is that there are other ways to tackle illegal immigration -- such as through tougher sanctions, beefed-up border control, etc. Also, it's critically important that we not forget that our elected officials and school district officials were major contributors to getting us in this financial mess in the first place. Why is it that enrollment keeps declining, yet they keep asking for more and more money? Might they need to do some serious cost cutting at the top? I only ask that you not give our elected officials and school administrators such an easy scapegoat.
Also, if 5th grade camp has been shortened due to budgetary issues and failed lease negotiations, then give it to us straight. I find that the whole truth is always better than putting forward a feel-good message that's only partly true. School district officials love to appear as if they are making every decision "for the kids.' But unfortunately, I don't believe that is always their primary motive.
By the way, my grandmother tried to teach me to needlepoint, and I was terrible at it. So, I'm afraid you're stuck with me.