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otay90 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:07:53 -0000

OK..buh-bye, then.

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Rachel Powers — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:06:57 -0000

Are you REALLY going to split that hair? You malign the culture and historic contributions of an entire nation, but think that you are off the hook because you stop short of mentioning their genetic makeup?

Fine. You aren't a *racist*--but you are still a BIGOT.

And it's "dodge" not "doge". Like I said: back to school for you, and this time, take something other than CS courses.

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Linux Guru — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:53:37 -0000

Dudes, don't doge the question. I won't continue with this thread if you don't answer! You are calling me a racist! Where is your prooof? I repeat:

>> I used the word “culture” not race. I’m still looking for a statement where I
>> said something about one biological race being superior or inferior to
>> another. Where is that?

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otay90 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:24:40 -0000

You're the dodger. Explain how David Duke validates your position. And substituting "culture" instead of "race" is a nice Orwellian twist of language, but still qualifies you for the white hood.

I've already explained that using your definition of cultural achievements isn't a valid argument AND is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

It does, however, dovetail nicely with lynch mob mentality and the ability to feel superior when you're an out-of-work, self-proclaimed "Linux Guru". What's the going rate for "Gurus" anyhow? There's lot's of jobs available, if you were actually qualified.

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Rachel Powers — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:57:19 -0000

So *Indians* aren't unimaginative and incapable of innovation: *Indian culture* is.

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Linux Guru — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:53:10 -0000

Andy:

>> I used the word “culture” not race. I’m still looking for a statement where I
>> said something about one biological race being superior or inferior to
>> another. Where is that?

Don't be a coward. Don't dodge the question! Where did I say one biological race was superior or inferior to another?

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Dave Wielenga — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:04 -0000

FACE!!!

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otay90 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:35:57 -0000

Sorry, LG, you're just digging your racist rhetorical grave deeper with every post. You won't see it because you base your "value" on metrics that implies some sort of bizarro cultural equity.

Your cultural argument has been debunked on every blog you've posted in on.

If you were to solely make the argument that there are engineers who can't find jobs because tech firms are importing cheap talent, you'd be making a rational argument. And I wouldn't be having this discussion with you now.

If you would actually disavow David Duke instead of merely posting snarky comments, you'd be making a first step.

But until then, you're just an angry, bitter umemployed rascist who deserves to be out of work. If you're really so skilled, you wouldn't have any problem finding work. But it's easier just to stay at home and blog about unimaginative workers coming over here and taking your rightful employment.

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Linux Guru — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:34:12 -0000

>> Your words:
>> “The point is that these cultures compared to Europe and America have no
>> proven track record of major technological innovation.”

I used the word "culture" not race. I'm still looking for a statement where I said something about one biological race being superior or inferior to another. Where is that?

>> My point is that you are not unemployed because ....
Here are some websites that have material about tech worker
displacement. They can explain it better than I:

http://www.programmersguild.org/
http://www.zazona.com/
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html

>> How is this a rational explanation for having David Duke on your web site?

If you can't figure that out, then you failed the test! ;)

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Kelson — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:01:22 -0000

>> "Every farmer has a scarecrow."

How is this a rational explanation for having David Duke on your web site? Is this "scarecrow" concept just the equivalent to having a burning cross on your web site or something?

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otay90 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:36:57 -0000

L "David Duke" G:

Your words:
"The point is that these cultures compared to Europe and America have no proven track record of major technological innovation."

My point is that you are not unemployed because you've been replaced by tech workers, but because you are a racist tool whose interests include: "Overthrowing foreign governments, political assassinations, conspiracy theories, contract killings, political revolutions".

And anyone whose moniker is "Linux Guru" may as well be named "Angry Guy Who Was Fired Because He Made Everyone Else At Work Uncomfortable By Ranting About Those Foreign Workers Coming Over Here and Taking All Our Good Tech Jobs While Living at Home with Mom and Hating Women Who Don't Return His 40th Email On The Free Online Dating Site".

I guess "Linux Guru" is more efficient.

And, yes, I've given up trying to explain your failed logic, so making fun of you is more satisfying. And easier.

.

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Linux Guru — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:50:38 -0000

>> 1) link to a David Duke promo video on your site. You have ZERO credilbility

Every farmer has a scarecrow.

>> 2) are using racial and ethnic stereotypes mixed ...

Not true. Can you cut and paste them into your next response and point to specific examples?

>> BTW, I am a former tech worker, now in Advertising

Kind of a waste, huh? You could have saved time and gone directly into advertising!

>> my eye on those wily immigrants coming over here taking all our
>> good, high-paying Advertising jobs.

Fortunately, there isn't an overt government program like H1B to import advertising people; however, it could happen. How long do you think your job would last if you company could get someone to do your job for $9/hour working in a boiler room?

>> Your OC heroes there do the same thing i.... same arguments used
>> against new immigrants .....

First, they’re not my heroes; secondly, H1B are not immigrants and the H1B program started in 1990; therefore, any previously used arguments to limit immigration could not be applied. In any event, in the 21st century, “immigration” should not be used to import cheap labor.

>> why don’t you just campaign for Collective Bargaining Rights a

Good idea. But, since H1Bs are not citizens they probably could not be in Unions!

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Kelson — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:59:06 -0000

Mr. Guru, if you are so concerned about how much less pay H1b's are getting, why don't you just campaign for Collective Bargaining Rights among your fellow workers, both citizens and H1b's? But, no, you're just not interested in you fellow man after all. Whoo-hoo!

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otay90 — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:47:42 -0000

LG:

Dude...seriously, you:

1) link to a David Duke promo video on your site. You have ZERO credilbility.

2) are using racial and ethnic stereotypes mixed in with immigration visa arguments. If you can't separate the two, you can't play with the smart kids.

Your OC heroes there do the same thing in their rhetoric, which are the same arguments used against new immigrants since the founding of this country. It plays well with that crowd.

BTW, I am a former tech worker, now in Advertising. I wasn't displaced, but I sure have my eye on those wily immigrants coming over here taking all our good, high-paying Advertising jobs.

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Linux Guru — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:41:51 -0000

Andy, Good Try!

>> 1. Gringos invent things; therefore, are more inherently valuable because
>> you never know when a gringo will invent something.

Everyone invents things; however, most of the major technological innovations in the last 200 years have NOT been invented by people in China or India. Therefore, the lobbyist claims that we need to replace native born (Native American, Latino, white, black and Asian) with cheap intellectual labor from those countries and NOT invest in our own people is unfounded and highly dangerous. Their claim that H1Bs have founded Fortune 500 companies that employ millions is completely false.

>> 2. He hasn’t invented anything, but deserves to be paid more
>> than he is, because he might, at any point, invent something.

All people regardless of their citizenship status should be paid a prevailing wage; this is not the case with H1Bs. If you don't believe me, check out this link:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08...
In order to be inventive, people need leisure time and money. The American people DO deserve the right to freely compete in their own country without the labor market being flooded by cheap workers from abroad which displace them from good paying, long term careers and suppress their wages.

>> 3. Non-gringos (who are inherently less creative and inventive — see
>> exhaustive list of everything of any value in post 9) are stealing all our good
>> high-tech jobs because they work for $9/hr.

Indians and Asians are not smarter or dumber than Europeans or vice versa. I am just pointing out that the CULTURES in these countries don’t seem to be producing the kind of thinking that leads to big leaps in innovation based on historical evidence. Therefore, replacing American worker with disposable cheap labor from these countries is a mistake that is now causing a decline in innovation in this country. If you are smart enough to cure AIDS are you dumb enough to work for $9/hour? Smart people are going to go where the money and job security is; H1B is driving our best and brightest out of STEM when we need them there the most.

>> 4. LG hijacks posts throughout the web to post his anti-guest worker/gringo
>> god rants (http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/10/micro...)

Yes, we Americans do rant when faced with tyrants like Bill Gates, Andy! It’s called freedom of speech; if you don’t like it, go to Cuba!

>> 5. He lives in Arizona (see above link) and has no business hijacking this
>> thread for his angry white man rants.

Actually, I was raised and lived most of my live in Orange County, CA. Having lived behind the “Orange Curtain”, I am very familiar with the politics of Dana Rohrabacher, Robert Dornan, John Schmitz and the other reactionary types there. That combined with the fact that I AM a displaced tech worker makes me very qualified to comment on Rohrabacher confrontation with Bill Gates.

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Dwight K Snider — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:50:28 -0000

I'm tired and going to take a nap.

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otay90 — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:06:55 -0000

I guess he forgot to add him to his list of great white achievers:

David Duke (racism, anti-semitism, bad hair cuts)

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Rachel Powers — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:53:48 -0000

Andy, you're awesome.

Did you notice the David Duke link on LG's website?

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otay90 — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:52:11 -0000

To summarize Linux Guru's points:

1. Gringos invent things; therefore, are more inherently valuable because you never know when a gringo will invent something

2. He hasn't invented anything, but deserves to be paid more than he is, because he might, at any point, invent something.

3. Non-gringos (who are inherently less creative and inventive--see exhaustive list of everything of any value in post 9) are stealing all our good high-tech jobs because they work for $9/hr.

4. LG hijacks posts throughout the web to post his anti-guest worker/gringo god rants (http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/10/micro...).

5. He lives in Arizona (see above link) and has no business hijacking this thread for his angry white man rants.

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Bill — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:50:23 -0000

Seriously Linux Guru, are you just here because you hate Bill Gates and love Linux?

H1-Bs are supported by a lot of technology companies, software and hardware. In fact, there are plenty of engineering jobs to go around, and people who are seriously interested in becoming an engineer in America have plenty of opportunities and scholarship money floating around. The engineers coming here to work are not limited to Chinese and Indians, though they make up the bulk. Those engineers often come here because the business environment in their own country is not stable and there are not as many high-tech companies to ply their trade in.

Anyways, Rohrabacher is clearly wrong on this and nearly every issue, I hope everyone will help get him kicked out of office this election round and end the embarassment.

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Dave Wielenga — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:52:36 -0000

Seems to me that it's a matter of invoking nationalism simply as a tool of control of the people. They must identify with a country, remain within its borders, suffer whatever circumstances they are born into ... whereas the corporation is not hindered; it can go where it finds the best circumstances -- more and more, to the places where the people are the most repressed and least free to escape that repression. That is not, as you describe it, a "chaotic" situation. That is a very controlled situation, created and maintained for the benefit of the rich.

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Linux Guru — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:26:03 -0000

>> Why do borders only come down for commerce and not for people and their
>> standards of living?.... but puts up barriers to immigration and limits working
>> visas
That appears to be the conflict between the bordered political state and the borderless corporate state. In our age, people live within political corporations called countries but derive their income from borderless countries called multinational corporations. How wealth is distributed in this new world order has not been worked out. Until then the process will continue to be chaotic.

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Linux Guru — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:19:22 -0000

>> make a billion more, and THEN come back and make your unsupported
>> arguments.

What arguments are those? Any why does personal wealth have anything to do with it?

>> Am I less valuable because I’m a “native born” worker
I'm confused here. Not sure where I said anyone was more valuable than some one else. If you are a guest worker like H1B are doing routine work that Americans could be doing but a below market rates, then yes, you should go home, and the job should go to a permanent resident.

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Dave Wielenga — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:12:30 -0000

Why do borders only come down for commerce and not for people and their standards of living? Our government sings the praises of free trade -- NAFTA and the like -- but puts up barriers to immigration and limits working visas and inhibits the formation of international labor unions? What's with that?

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Linux Guru — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:12:01 -0000

>> the first programmable computer was actually the invention of a French
>> weaver

No. The theoretical concept of a programmable computer was invented by Charles Babbage; Ada Lovelace suggest that how calculations could be repeated to create an algorithm. She is credited to have been the first computer programmer even thought creating the machine was beyond the technology of the time. BTW, they were both Anglo British aristocrats like Alan Turing who a century later actually created the machine. No Indian or Chinese guest workers there.....

>> We did have an H1B program. It was called “give me your tired, etc.”

No. H1B is a direct government subsidy that allows for below market rates for labor; it just happens to use individuals from a foreign country who are more than willing to be indentured servants.

>> Open up any history of labor and you’ll get a whole list of protectionist
>> rants against immigrants,

H1Bs aren't immigrants their are classified as NIVs(None Immigrant Visa) holders.

>> like those from china (an wang, who invented a whole shitload of stuff)
Wang wasn't an H1B guest worker. He was raised here in the US.

>> ireland (john holland, the submarine), germany (einstein, relativity),
>> italy (enrico fermi, neutron reactor).

These guys were not H1Bs from China and India which is my point. The cultures of European countries seem to foster this kind of innovation. So, why are we replacing our knowledge workers with ones from counties that don't innovate?