DISQUS

These boots are made for walki · 1 year ago

If you don’t like LBAC, use your two feet http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?... and walk away. Then go and try to get some taxpayer cash by contacting some legal beagle. That's your ticket.

oh wonderdoggie · 1 year ago

ned's shelter thread is dying a slow death even sweetannie the dear she is seems to have pushed it towards bottom

Banes Mom · 1 year ago

I hate going on repeat here, news usually gets old and stale. I have fought for 2 yrs to make the public aware of Quigley's wicked cruelty towards helpless defenseless animals.I have personally seen that little retard(Quigley's playtard) named Edwards poke dogs viciously with sticks, and Quiggles denying that it ever happened.I have seen Quigley tell bold faced lies and get caught redfaced and even admitte jokingly in our faces that she has no ethics.I have even seen her at a hearing to get a dog killed and go into a three yr old style tantrum when the hearing was'nt going the way she wanted it to.
When Noahs Ark was busted by Quigley I witnessed again the rage ,psychosis and grandious behavior that is Quigley's trademark.Tazering 13 yr olds, elderly people in handcuffs?Lying to get dogs killed,clearly this is not somebody who should be playing thug for a day as manager of LBAC.
For those of you who think those of us posting here are a bunch of kooks, no we are not going away until Quigley is fired and never allowed to be near anyones pets.This is for my two dogs who were murdered by Quigley and all the other dogs/cats past and present who did'nt get to live thier lives because of Quigley's sadistic love of killing pets.

glad your not my mama · 1 year ago

I sure hope readers are smart enough to know that Banes Mom is out to lunch....
Not all that post are kooks...just some who make things up...Rage, pschosis, grandious....you must be using the thesaurus for those big words.
No tazering occurred.....no lying took place to impound those animals (look at the pictures)..

you've got that wrong · 1 year ago

Four volunteers of a no-kill animal shelter who claimed to have been victimized during a police raid lost their lawsuit Tuesday after a federal jury found no evidence to support their claims. Seyhan Vergun and three other plaintiffs had argued that police unlawfully detained them and used excessive force against them outside Noah's Ark Animal Rescue, 1333 Redondo Ave., in August 2006. Vergun's daughter, Alexia Tiraki-Kyrklund, owned the shelter and was convicted last year of abusing more than 150 dogs in her care. She is now in prison. The U.S. District Court jury took about an hour to deliver its verdict following a five-day trial before Judge F. James Otero. Deputy City Attorneys Monte Machit and Cristyl Meyers, who defended the case on behalf of the accused Long Beach police officers, argued that the plaintiffs - Vergun, two men and a 13-year-old boy - had concocted the tales of detention and abuse. The only interaction the officers had with the volunteers was asking them for their identification, he said. "Absolutely no force was used," Machit said after Tuesday's verdict. "The detention was absolutely reasonable in light of all the strange and unusual circumstances. And, as it turns out ... Ms. Kyrklund was arrested later that day for felony animal cruelty." "This case," Machit added, "was really about just very good police work." While Animal Control authorities carried out the raid, it was a Long Beach police officer, Karen Dougherty, who alerted them to the problem. She had been responding to a silent-alarm call next door when she noticed a stench of urine and ammonia emanating from the shelter, Machit said. Vergun was parked outside at the time, he said, and immediately began accusing Dougherty of harassing shelter employees. Vergun, as well as volunteers Estaban Toribio, Jorge Casique and Angel De Luna claimed they were detained for an hour on the hot cement. The men said they were thrown against a car and manhandled, and De Luna claimed that Dougherty had used a stun gun on him. He later acknowledged that she had not actually used the stun gun, but rather had threatened the group with it. ...

presstelegram.com

Banes Mom · 1 year ago

The public is not that stupid to believe what is printed Long Beach Press telegram verbatim/word for word is the gospel truth..Like wise Long Beach post.

read the transcript then · 1 year ago

don't believe it, read the court transcript.

if pt lied · 1 year ago

if press telegram is lying then the four should sue for $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for libel. hire larry h parker

by the way · 1 year ago

i wonder how many disabled people reading find it offensive when you use the word retard

says a great deal about you

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

Heather, it's no wonder Quigley won't answer your questions. She'll prance around all day for the buffoons at the Press-Telegram or Long Beach Reports, but when someone does some real investigating, Quigley clams up.

You are doing wonders for the animals by going after the truth. As you know, you have just scratched the surface. Please keep going with this story. You are doing a terrific job!

Rachel · 1 year ago

Ok Ok already. What I want to know is did the investigation start yet? I don't want to know what is being discussed, but has it started? It's been about two weeks and I haven't heard that one person has been talked to by this outside investigation team! What's the hold up? Is Quigley holed up in her office distroying evidence that could incriminate her? I don't understand why she is allowed to stay on the LBAC, when Moore was let go so quickly. She was the voice in his ear and just as responsible for what has happened to the department. Wes has resigned, an officer may lose his job, our RVT may not be able to do hers, a Lieutenant resigns, we have 5 other's who left in 6 months and Quigley is stills sitting on her throne, with no consequence? Why isn't she suspended? You mean to tell me there is no one who can run the daily operations but her in this whole city? Come on now-are you all buying this? Something sounds fishy to me! LBAC are you all still out there? This is not ok, you all know that something isn't adding up with this "impartial" investigation. Moral is in a "free fall" is an undertatement! Injury is sure to happen to more employees as LBAC now has implemented mandatory overtime! Everyone is tired, and we want something done NOW!

dont like the overtime · 1 year ago

quit

slaughtergate · 1 year ago

what, they bring in scary spice in for a little office fun? how odd. who was taking care of all the animals if so short staffed? another attempt to move the spotlight. isnt quiglet scary enough for them? id rather hear more why employees left, especially from moore. more Carey, less Scary! maybe Bozo will visit next.

The Truth Will Free U LB! · 1 year ago

The District Weekly needs to be commended for exposing the dirty truth about LBAC! And thank you to Heather for writing another right on story - the dirty little truth is coming out about Quigley and the others, finally! The corruptness that occured with of the raid at Noah's Ark and continues to this day with Alex still being in prison needs to come out.
Long Beach please get Quigley out of there during this investigation so that the animals have a chance.
Quigley needs to go.......she kills.... no more please!

Monica · 1 year ago

Just so y'all know, the show was there for the SPCA's employees and not for LBAC. Two separate entities. SPCA is private while LBAC is a government agency.

Great Partnership · 1 year ago

Monica, the SPCA does not inclued the LBAC in anything. This is not a "partnership". The stray animals are not included in anything either. They do not get the "SPCA" type of care at all. You know like food, water, bedding, shelter, vet care. How many times did the SPCA employees complain to LBAC about the care of the animals? Pretty much everyday. Why did it go on for so long? SPCA took no action. I guess they are two different entities.

Quigititis encephyitis · 1 year ago

Unfortunatly the press telegram has bunches of people in the comment section infected with the Quiggy virus,these comatose souls brain stem detached,symptoms include but are not limited to mumbling and gurgling the wonders of Quiggles hard work and dedication to LBAC.
Thank you the district weekly for printing the truth about the horrors of LBAC.
Quigley needs to Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......

Outbreak at LBAC · 1 year ago

They can have the PT, that publication is for corrupt, lying government workers. The articles that they write are fiction and full of BS. "Q" virus is easily eradicated with a can of raid.

to the so called truth · 1 year ago

if you dont like press telegram or lbpost reporting wonderdog has posted over at nedthetoothpick.com and the thread is absolutely dying on the vine. why is that, do you not care about LBAC

Outbreak at LBAC · 1 year ago

The comments are dying here and on the PT. Everyone is sick from the disease listed in #16. The queen bee probably advised them to shut their mouths because they will inhale raid.

george · 1 year ago

spcaLA and Long Beach Animal Control are in partnership to care for all animals.

Outbreak at LBAC · 1 year ago

george, I think you posted your comment on the wrong site. This is a non-fictional publication. You want the press telegram.

where is · 1 year ago

wonderdoggie - waiting for some more cow pies to be posted

Business as usual in the LBAC · 1 year ago

Weeding out the deadbeat workers, giving the crazy NA people something to rant about. How's that class action lawsuit going...oh yeah the judge through it out too...HA HA All's great in the LBAC.

and dont forget · 1 year ago

the pope! wonder-where are you.bwhahahaha!

?????? · 1 year ago

what has happened did they get to the district and shut them down no more posts able to be put up???

to the naar minions · 1 year ago

hows class action coming along

reminder to them to beat on your chest and jump up and down

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

For 23, 24 & 25 - Since you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, why don't you post at the Press Telegram? They like that sort of thing.

The "Q" Virus · 1 year ago

QUIGLEY MUST GO! QUIGLEY MUST GO! QUIGLEY MUST GO!

moorescoop · 1 year ago

Is Quigleygate the same person who mentioned Lobstergate in the previous article? If it is , You Rock!!!!

calling all naar minions, naar · 1 year ago

Quigleygate says since you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, why don’t you post at the press Telegram? they like that sort of thing.

Response - because you and naar minions are already over there or at lbpost or at nedthetoothpick.com

why don't you and the minions go over to groups.msn.com/whatisyourpoint2 . that place is where naar minions belong. send our greetings to aspoiledprincess for when she returns there.

Dave Wielenga · 1 year ago

If any of you would like your points of view published in The District's print issue--and would be willing to sign your real names--please send your letters to one of these email addresses:
letters@thedistrictweekly.com
or
dave@thedistrictweekly.com
I need them by 5 pm today....
Thanks,
Dave Wielenga

tell the truth and nothing but · 1 year ago

lbac is a very caring, loving shelter and don't let anyone tell you anything different

LBAC is great · 1 year ago

Make sure Quigley STAYS!

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

Quigley earned the horrible reputation she has--by her own actions.

She reported to the Press Telegram in December that she is burned out--that she questioned her career choice (so do many). What is she still doing there?

Bull · 1 year ago

burned out from having to deal with the naar minions no doubt not burned out from working, living and caring for the animals she is in charge of

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

Caring for animals, ha ha ha. That's a good one, Bull. Wow does your name suit you!

Bull · 1 year ago

i know - i constantly am calling you on it
keep up the fantastic work you do m quigley

george · 1 year ago

Tonya....come out come out where every you are.......your career is over...start back on your meds....

me thinks · 1 year ago

me thinks that the michelle followers are scared and panicking lately on this board. boy are they posting real silly things. long beach animals doesn't need the killer happy female any longer. and the silly believers boy are they in for a surprise when their leader is exposed.... finally.

jan.hjorth · 1 year ago

Hey bro...you seen that too,desparate and crazy because Quiggy and the others are scared they are going to lose that life-time guarranteed employment endless benifits and that bloated pension that they think they are entitled to.They shoot down comments on Press telegram and praise the lord for the glories in the name of their God The great Quiggy monster.

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

You're right, me thinks, the Quigladites started out dumb, and they're just getting dumber. The never have any facts--just a lot of baiting and mindless rallying around Quigley.

Maybe one of them can come up with an excuse why Quigley won't talk to The District Weekly. Afraid of some tough questions maybe?

Quigleygate · 1 year ago

Correction: They never have ...

neddites · 1 year ago

arent commenting on wd's thread why is that

Ex Animal Control Officer · 1 year ago

As you can see I was willing to get published!! I am Carey Macy. I have written comments on all three of these district weekly articles and also the article in the press telegram. Check out what I wrote! I am still talking to both organizations to get the story out. I will contact Roger soon to talk to him and show him that the people in this City will not rest until changes are made! From everything I hear he will be very receptive. I will keep you all posted!!

kudos · 1 year ago

your name will be in print thats exciting for you i guess rah rah are you part of class action suit to

WOW · 1 year ago

Did you provide TheDistrictWeekly with your photo, Carey? I know how thrilled my youngsters were when their names appeared next to their photos. Congratulations!!

george · 1 year ago

Carey Macy don't comment on this issue and add to the insanity of people that have nothing to do but bad mouth everything about LBAC. Just do your present job and encourage people to spay/neuter there pets..Be responsible pet owners.

It's a Free Country, George · 1 year ago

Carey Macy is free to speak his mind, just as the rest of us are.

Rebecca · 1 year ago

Carey thanks for not forgetting those co-workers you left behind-it was a shame to lose someone like you-you were one of the good guys! The people who write here on this thread nasty things like "pill-popping" and how thrilling it is to be in the paper with a photo, are just trying to change the forum here. You put yourself out there Carey, and you spoke from your heart-no matter what else the nay-sayers think or say-I know you, I worked beside you, and I truly understand what it took for you to leave a job that you so loved doing! I was there too, but I am not giving up yet! More former and current staff will start speaking out-this is so wrong on all levels, and it won't just go away!

Yes it's a free country · 1 year ago

If she wasn't thrilled with the job she should have left right after she started.

ACO's need a raise · 1 year ago

Some people are just not cut out to do certain jobs. In this field many workers burn out and are let go. Rotating shifts, long hours, dealing w/ hostile public at times, and seeing many cruel things that people do to animals, take its toll on individuals. Managment did fail you Carey, no offense to you but, you did need to be baby stepped into the job and needed alot of work on many aspects of your duties as an ACO, more so than others who started after you, And you were just thrown out there to sink or swim...and you sank..straight to the bottom mann with no life jacket. You never should have been allowed to continue that job, you never should have passed probation, with all the bad steps that you took while at LBAC, you were still kept on. That's where management failed. I hope that change is here so we don't have the Carey Macey's or Vic's at LBAC, So we have good trained staff and get a good training schedule for new-hires and weed out the Macey's before they crack under the stress of this stressful job. Thanks Carey for pointing out the flaws in management. And stressing the dificultiies of this job.

Animal Shelters can improve · 1 year ago

This shelter needs an overhaul. Dogs are being sprayed with the cleaner they use. Animals go hours before getting tended to, probably because they are understaffed. It is so sad. It seems they are capable of so much more. The standard needs to be higher and maybe the staff and the public would respect the management. Especially if they are the ones convicted others for animal cruelty. Use all that government money and get it right. Use all those law makers and force neutering so the numbers of animals coming into the shelter is lower.
As a governement the possiblity of lowering the animal overpopulation is there. The possiblity of employees and animals at the shelter in acceptable conditions is there. It is up to those in a position of power to make the changes. What are you waiting for? Do you prefer an angry public? Do you prefer thousands of homeless animals? Do you prefer disgruntled employees? Make positive changes. Now is the time.

raise taxes · 1 year ago

raise every long beach citizen's taxes so it can be done right

Don't need to raise Taxes · 1 year ago

There's plenty of money, to pay city manager's, Operation Managers, and all the other manager's, managers, investigators, and of course the nice salary the new Shelter Manager will be making, It will never trickle down to the front line workers. The money's there for the taking, without having to raise taxes. For example. Recently a higher dog license fee was imposed in Long Beach on non-altered dogs. That extra money was to pay for 2 new Breeding Enforcement Officers, that never got hired its been over a year. Where's that extra money going?? Maybe to pay for those new suits I suppose. Not for new uniforms for the troops thats for sure.

curb appeal · 1 year ago

Hey George, they are watching you. Nice name choice, creative. Why don't I just e-mail you directly, or have they tapped into those too. Are we sceeeered yet.

yes · 1 year ago

thats typically how dollars are allocated in any organization public or private

Rebecca · 1 year ago

To ACO's need a raise-comment #50- you are right that some people are not cut out to be an Animal Control Officer, just as there are some people not cut out to, hire, train and monitor (manage) new and current employees! Carey and others got poor training, inconsistant answers to questions, demeaning comments directed towards them and on top of that had to deal with the daily emergency situations in the field. Some of you like to say, well just "Quit"! See those people are the ones who truly don't get it. You can't just quit, if you believe what you are doing is worth it! You can't just quit after months of training and getting ready to put on the uniform and serve the public. I can only speak only for myself when I say, I am not a wanna be cop, fireman or an angry Officer. I want to share one of my calls with you, please hear me out.... I went to a home in West Long Beach, when I drove up, I could see that the house was run down and in need of repairs. In my hand were papers that stated that an elderly man owned two old dogs that needed Vet care and several of our officers had been by and made contact with this man. They had given him weeks to take care of the issues, and I was following up on them. The man met me at the door and he was wearing a USS-hat and I asked if he was a Navy Vet and he said yes, he told me he lived alone and had only his dogs to keep him company, he went on and on and I could tell he was passionate about them being his only "family'.The papers I had said he owned two dogs, both 15 plus years. When I asked to see them, he told me sadly, one of them died two days ago and he and a neighbor had disposed of the body at sea! I asked to see the other dog and he opened the door wider and I saw her. It was sooo sad. She could only raise her head, but was shaking as she sniffed my hand. She was lying in a pudde of urine and I could smell that unmistakeable smell of infection that comes from years of dealing with animals. Her eyes, so cloudy from her years,but she did wag her tail as I talked to her and ran my hands over her body. I was very sad, I have owned many dogs in my life time, and I could identifi with this pet owners cherished "child". He said he didn't have much money, his pension barely kept him above water, but he promised me as he did the other officers, that he would take care of it "tomorrow". It broke my heart as I told him that his dog was in very bad shape and suffering and needed a vet right now. His eyes filled up up with tears as he realized what I was going to have to do. He would not sign the papers and started saying he was going to kill himself, he had nothing left if I took his dog. I knew in my heart that I wanted to give him his "tomorrow", but I just couldn't sleep that night seeing that old sweet dog,and her sad eyes. I called the Police and they talked to this man, they tried to help him understand that this was for his dog and if he truly loved her he would let her go.I left that house with a very heavy heart, and I cried all the way to the vet. The vet took the dog and examined and made her comfortable. The dog was no longer able to stand,didn't want to eat, the vet decided to wait on more day, to give the dog owner a chance to calm himself and make the right decision for his dog. I got a call from the dogowner the next day and he said tearfully that he loved his dog so very much and he just couldn't see thru his own pain that she was suffering. He agreed to meet me and sign the papers to have her euthanized. Before I went back to his house the next day, I went back to the vet and took a picture of his dog. The staff at the pet hospital helped me arrange her so we could get a good picture of her. The man was sitting outside and waiting for me when I pulled up. He shook my hand and asked how his dog was. i told him what the vet said and recommended euthansia. He signed the papers, thanked me and as I got up to leave, I handed him a picture of his dog. He cried as he took it from me and told me that, he appreciated my help and understanding. he said he wasn't going to harm himself and asked my to stop by sometime again if I was in the neighborhood. Now Im not telling you all this fora pat on the back or nasty comments about animal control officers, but I am telling you this because there was so many other ways to handle this situation, I chose the spirit of the law, as opposed to the Letter of the law. Until you are in it, you just can't understand how ACO's feel, what we do is important and necessary to speak for those who can't-just"quit" isn't an option for someone like me who really does love her job- Rebecca Johnson ACO II

quit or don't quit · 1 year ago

either quit or don't quit but if you don't quit you have no room to complain

curb appeal · 1 year ago

She (officr J) has every room to complain. Ask her what would have happened if rather than make those decisions herself, if she had taken the situation to Quigley or Peltier. They would of puffed up and told the officer to charge the man with animal cruelty and go cuff him or something. Or better yet, they would have thrown their "special" unit stonewashed jeans on and gone themselves, and called the media. This is what makes them feel good, and important. Pushing people around.

For the rest of the staff, the option the officer took was the right way to handle it and please continue to make such decisions. Sow now tell me the officers have no room to complain. Complain they will until the strong-armed ego-ridden decision making "supervisors" are removed and replaced with the type of people like officer Johnson. This is the type of service the public wants and expects. That old man will BE you one day. Maybe you don't own any animals and never crossed that path.

Promote officer Johnson!! why are you dinking around with these poor examples and letting them supervise. The people want people, not Hitler robots. They have built their walls of hatred for humans by pretending to stand for animals, they only stand for themselves. The typical "cop" reject wanna'be's. Now you are being asked, nicely, to sit down. I suggest this current list of supervisors listen while there is still an option, you may not have one soon.

officer Johnson, you go girl! The people will support you and have heard you, thanks for sharing. Now that supervision knows what you did, you will probably get written up like Carey for not going to them first. Heaven forbid someone make a decision without using Quigley's overheated mind. These are good people and officers, leave them alone and go back to PetCo or PetSmart or your homes, wherever you pushed people around before LBAC.....PUSH BACK.....

to officer johnson · 1 year ago

have you joined the class action suit

how to help save animals · 1 year ago

see mikey kirby story at ned's where wonderdog posts naar stuff. apbt is looking your help and stop by the main forum speak out for intellectual conversation

The "Q" Virus · 1 year ago

#58 the stonewashed jeans "special unit" got me. HaHa! There is no special unit. It is a unit of one "Q" and it's special like the "short bus" special. Please people "Q" and her flunkies need to go. Let's get'r done!

Lets geter done · 1 year ago

go gittum cowboy

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

I stayed in the job because I loved the animals and I loved most of my fellow coworkers who treated the animals and people with respect. Rebecca is exactly right in everything she said! That is why I was proud to call her a fellow Animal Control Officer and still proud to call her a friend!

if · 1 year ago

if disgruntled employees loved the animals and their fellow coworkers as much as they profess why didnt they whistleblow at the first sign of what they are disgruntled about. whistleblowers are protected by law last i heard.

bcuz · 1 year ago

Because one would like to think that things will improve or someone of greater authority will step in and finally do something. How can someone who professes to love the animals and fellow coworkers not help but believe in humans, and that there is still some hope that and good in people. That it will push through somehow. But, as we all know, didn't happen. So here we are, no longer believe authority will step in, though they are pretending to. And certainly no longer believe that there is good in "you"> Protected by law, always were, that is not the point, try and touch one of us now, ha. We tried to tell, this is now the only way you will listen. Oh...more to come...

help noahs ark evidence · 1 year ago

evidence at noahs ark needs your prayer and if possible your donations for baby milk please help http://www.noahs-ark.org/

oooh try to touch one of us no · 1 year ago

money always talks doesnt it just remember the tax dollars you may receive will harm the animals that yall profess to love but thats okay isnt it have fun animal lovers

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

I was trying to work through "the chain of command" and the Union when I was there. But management just kept suppressing everything! That is why I am so active in doing something now that I am no longer working there. I am not bound by the "chain of command" that let me down.

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

Just for info regarding some posts on the other LBAC related articles. Friends of Long Beach Animals is a great organization! They promote respecting animals, proper pet care and control, and spaying and neutering. There are too many people out there who have pets that do not understand the amount of responsibility it takes. Also, too many people just let their animals get pregnant then do not know what to do with the litter. Too many people do not control their animals. These animals end up causing nuisances to the public as either an animal that is dangerous, is constantly loose, is relieving itself on other people’s property, is constantly barking, etc. They could also be a nuisance or threat to their owners if not treated as a living being with physical and psychological needs. There are also laws in every city regarding animals. In essence, animals are like having children because the owner has to take care of all the animals needs. The biggest difference is that each breed needs something different. People need to research and understand what they are getting into. That is where organizations like LBAC and Friends of Long Beach Animals educate as many people they can on how to keep their animal from ending up in a shelter.

Just wondering · 1 year ago

Did the District do an actual "investigation" into the animal shelter incident, or did it simply post Christine Culhno's report?

To Just wondering · 1 year ago

The District Weekly is heading the an actual investigation. The employees are telling it all here. If you look back, the District Weekly did not post the actual report, it was posted by someone who wanted the whole story out, not just bit's and pieces here and there.

Monica · 1 year ago

Hey "Great Partnership", LBAC is city run and you would think with all the adults in the city council and management of the shelter that they could improve themselves. SPCALA is not their babysitter. The city council of LB should be making sure that ALL of their departments are running well. That is THEIR job, not the SPCA's. The SPCA does the best they can and LBAC should be doing theirs as well. Just like any of us can not change another person unless they want to be changed, same goes here.

looks like · 1 year ago

a bunch of disgruntled employees go heather go you'll end up like naar supporters

LOOKS LIKE · 1 year ago

Heather is too smart for that.

Toot Toot

looks like · 1 year ago

toot toot makes you sound, well, nevermind just keep up whatever it is your doin

so · 1 year ago

heathers running the show, is she inside lbac doin an investigation like the investigator is doin a investigation of lbac or is she just getting one letter or having dave to it and thats the investigation,,,how many investigators are their,,,hows the class action coming along,,,is everyone expectiong money

For Poster 76 · 1 year ago

For poster 76: The smart money says Heather could kick your ass, figuratively speaking of course. She certainly could in a spelling or grammar competition.

"So", are you smarter than a pre-schooler?

There really is help for OCD.

So-DW is investigating · 1 year ago

Heather Reger has opened this issue up for so many to comment on. Obviously there is controversy. Obviously the District has uncovered a huge problem. You go Heather! As for the Class action, thanks for the idea.

not my idea · 1 year ago

class action has been throwen out to rescuers for awhile,,,it looks as if disgrunteled employees were joining in,,,one huge lawsuit so taxpayer dollars taken away from animals,,,larryhparker should do it for you

jumpin in on NA · 1 year ago

Don't class the employees with NA, not the same issues. It's just that the employees have the proof that NA wants, does not mean they are included and it is one "big" team. I would rather all this neds lingo, whatever it is, would just stop and they go back to their world and let us do our thing. Lets see, tax dollars taken away, like the money used to pay off Moore, to pay Roger, the investigator, the extra employees from downtown. At least some aspect of the shelter is getting cleaned. If you would just leave it could all go away...save the animals money...quit now. You go away...we go away...(and come back) You must think there is a good chance for a case or you wouldn't worry about a lawsuit taking tax dollars. I guess the city could just settle, but we don't want money, we want you gone (priceless)....I'm keeping my eye on that prize.

PSS Quit with the Larry H Parker, he is a personal injury lawyer.

to not my idea · 1 year ago

Taxpayers have been getting robbed for a long time. A lot of animals die because the shelter is not holding them like they should. Maybe your pet will get out and be euthanized for some sorry reason. Oh, I guess it might be cheaper for the taxpayers if the shelter staff would just keep quiet and keep killing. Peoples pets will die, but that is O.K. Your right, we should just drop this right now. Thanks for enlightening me. Call it off everybody!! The smart "not my idea" person who cannot even spell has the answer.

not my idea · 1 year ago

to lump na supporters with lbac employees and ex employes,,,someone else did that,,,im not worried about lb tax payer dollars,,,it gets spread across all lb citizins,,,i'd rather the dollars be spent on lb animals

My idea · 1 year ago

Tax money might be spent now, but it is for the animals in the long run. A whole bunch of tax dollars are going to be spent on new employees. The shelter needs Officers, Kennel Workers, Vet techs, Veterinarian and clerks. The animals are finally going to be taken care of the way they should. That is worth the tax dollars. My idea.

donate · 1 year ago

Then go to the shelter and donate directly. You probably don't even live in Long Beach and therefore won't have to worry about those taxes. Many of the employees moved out of Long Beach along time ago, city is going down hill fast.

lb · 1 year ago

lb is a wonderfull place to live,,,5th largest city in ca,,,be proud of what we are

donate · 1 year ago

so being large makes it a good city? Have you seen the crime rate. Sure, it's pretty at night, but nothing is the same since Beverly left. She would have these heads rolling right now if she was around.

Donated enough · 1 year ago

I live in LB and have donated alot of unpaid time to the City of Long Beach to care for the animals. Many of the employees moved out of LB a long time ago because they cannot afford to live in Long Beach. Donate to the shelter directly and I guarantee it will not go to the LBAC animals. Donate items to the shelter and they all go to the SPCA. Just keep your money until the shelter functions properly. Donate to FOLA, they fund spay and neuter.

bwahahaha · 1 year ago

put up the wall,,,send illegals back,,,ca crime will go down

Sorry · 1 year ago

SPCA and LBAC is Lily White. Of course you have your tokens, but they hire the crackers. There still is crime at the shelter.

LEASH Animal Rescue · 1 year ago

#60-how to help save animals

Hello,

Thank you very much for helping spread the word about little Kirby. He is such a sweetie pie and deserves a fighting chance at life!

We are also working on pulling another Staffie puppy. Her name is Hope and she is COVERED in mange.

Donations are also very much appreciated for her mange treatment.-
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pet/651449...

We are also keeping an eye on another Staffie pup, and a 3 yr old Staffie.

Meanwhile, we currently have 3 dogs and 1 cat up for adoption!

Thanks again for the help,

~LEASH Animal Rescue~

Earth Day is here · 1 year ago

Get out your shovels. It's deep in here.

anonms · 1 year ago

can someone here pls tell me who to contact regarding class action lawsuit?I'm ready to sign up.

Hello · 1 year ago

Larry H Parker for your class action lawsuit. Ready to go for all you top notch people.

anonms · 1 year ago

I think this is a very serious matter regarding the mal creada at LBAC, I don't need my email stuffed with troll messages (78 ) many of them were the illiterates still in control at LBAC -,team Quigley trying one last breath before the tsunami that is the public forces them out.
Idiot! i do not need Larry Parker Schmuck for a class action lawsuit, you regard the terrible things going on as a joke that will just pass you by when the city paper shreds the evidence, and you go about your merry way with your record breaking killing sprees.. I can not wait for the next big wave to hit the public when they find out that some of these employees are embessling shelter money to finance luxury vacations, expensive booze,hummer vehicles and spa treatments for themselves,perhaps an expense account for Quiggles at Neiman Marcus.

To The Ones Who Care at LBAC · 1 year ago

Thank you, anonms. There are most certainly very serious issues at LBAC and I agree with you completely that these troll messages do nothing but clutter up inboxes and comments sections. I commend all of you who work at LBAC for taking action to correct the problems and for stepping forth to let the community know what is going on. Nothing will get fixed at LBAC until everyone shares their knowledge and works for solutions. A complete and frank accounting of all questionable activities is the first step in mending the organization. A whitewash is almost always so transparent that no one is convinced except the spin doctors themselves. I hope this doesn't happen now, or else nothing will change. If the investigation is handled properly, in time LBAC will emerge as a better shelter, all to the benefit of the animals, the employees and the citizens of Long Beach. Again my thanks to those of you who have shown the integrity to shine a light on the problems.

Hello · 1 year ago

Then try 888-4topgun for your class action suit

class action pusher · 1 year ago

You need to get over this class action thing. Check with Noah's Ark, they may need your referrals.

Hello · 1 year ago

Myles L Berman defence attorney for your class action lawsuit

Hello · 1 year ago

Go see The Hammer in theaters now

Cha-ching · 1 year ago

West said there would be a review of the management system at Animal Control, including an examination of the reason behind six vacancies of animal handlers.

"I'm not sure why we're short," he said.

Oh Yeah · 1 year ago

You must be talking about the SPCA's cash donations

Oh Yeah · 1 year ago

No class action or other law suits, just terminations.

Yeah · 1 year ago

terminations of a bunch of whiners and cry baby's

Oh Yeah · 1 year ago

Killing animals illegally.

Yeah · 1 year ago

and your here posting

Oh Yeah · 1 year ago

Guilty! So is LB.

Takes 1 to Know · 1 year ago

toot toot toot-I hear it coming

Guess Who? · 1 year ago

“I’m not sure why we’re short,” he said. (West)

I can tell you Mr. West....QUIGLEY!
Now can you get off your rear and do something about it. Thank you.

Sincerely,

A dedicated, hard working city employee who would just like to go to work and enjoy the job without the constant threats and intimidation and retalitory measures being taken againt me when I don't please the Queen.

And · 1 year ago

Nothing worth looking at there.

And · 1 year ago

Tell spoiled to posted it here and then we will decide.

troll · 1 year ago

maybe there is a poor signal in the mens restroom...princess of the Law

Take the Lt. out of Quigley · 1 year ago

Would someone who works for the City of Long Beach or even better, Long Beach Animal Control please explain the system of ranks. I checked the job descriptions for animal control employees, and I did not see any military-style ranks: corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, etc. All I could find were descriptions for Animal Control Officer 1 - 111. If Lt. Quigley does not officially hold the rank of lieutenant, why is she allowed to call herself Lt. Quigley? Shouldn't she be addressed as Officer Quigley?

This misrepresentation of title would not be allowed in police departments: a patrol officer would not be allowed to call himself/herself, Detective, Captain or other ranks that would be incorrect and misleading.

Is Quigley's title officially Lt.?

answer · 1 year ago

I think they made a mistake. Instead on Lt. they should put Dr. It is a simple typo.

me thinks · 1 year ago

ummm, no not dr. but maybe executioner? animals of course...........

Take the Lt. out of Quigley · 1 year ago

Well then, how about settling on Dr. Death

answer · 1 year ago

I want to see the chain of command. It needs a few revisions.

jan.hjorth · 1 year ago

Quiggles, got her so called wanna be titles from a stint as a marine flunky---she flunked the marines,as well as a police training flunky. Quiggles should not be carrying any title. By the way I have seen Miss Quigley actually do one of those Military salutes and boot-steps to herself while she was walking to her office. Is this proper for a city gov. worker to be this disturbed and out of touch? Saluting to oneself?

Take the Lt. out of Quigley · 1 year ago

Thank you jan.hjorth. That's just downright creepy about Quigley goose-stepping and saluting herself.

Do you know if she flunked out on a psych evaluation?

jan.hjorth · 1 year ago

How bout, L' ms.hitler to replace the title of Lt?

Take the Lt. out of Quigley · 1 year ago

I like it!

1 who knows · 1 year ago

when LB Animal Control was getting ready to merge/move in to the village with Spce-LA, they thought it would be a good idea to unofficially take on the rank-and-file titles like the Spca-LA Humane Officers ie. Sgt, Lt, Capt. The official rank of LB Aco's are as such:

ACO I - Newer officers that either don't have a year on with dept or are waiting for a vacancy of an ACO II position.

ACO II - (not a Corp. or SGT but wears 2 stripes) One who takes a step increase by taking a test. Must get above a 70% to promote. (W. Moore had let several officers through this process the past few years, even though they did not score high enough)

ACO III - (not a LT, wears a Lt bar) is officially called Senior Animal Control Officer

Manager - went from bureau manager that used to need a degree (past mgr had masters in Psyc) After 911, budget restraints and the retirement of previous manager, Health Dept changed AC from a brueau to a division. Michael Johnson took on the tougher requirements of the position so they could then hire Wesley Moore without a degree and lower his pay to much more than previous manager. His official title then became - Animal Services Officer

What will they do now....they shoud go back to a manager and hire someone that truely qualifies. Eventhough Quigley wants it, 1) she is not as ready or as qualified as she thinks, though more than Moore ever was. 2) the employee outrage will untimately get to be to much for the city. 3) If she does take it, it is an unprotected postion like Wesley and they can let her go at any time, no union protection. So she would eventually get run out by the public and the Health Dept anyway. Maybe we should let her take it and get out of the scope of the union.

There is no one even remotely qualified for that position nor the Senior ACO positions if they are all vacated. I think this is why they keep Quigley for now...Only bone headed or macho guys that only think they are qualified.

There are a few good ACO II field officers that would better suit to promote than the two they currently have pretending they are Sgts. Get Estrada and Johnson and Johnston in there. The public likes them much more and they are not ego driven and smarter than the other two. And they all really, truely love and take their time to care for each and every animal they come in contact with. You can actually hear them at times talking baby talk to the animals....very cute. Not to macho to do that.

Don't know · 1 year ago

So are Lt.'s exempt from being suspended without pay for a "botched" euthanasia incident?

Do as I say not as I do.

to 1 who knows · 1 year ago

Great post, 1 who knows. Many thanks for sharing your knowledge.

For 122 · 1 year ago

In theory the law should be applied equally and impartially to everyone, regardless of their employer, job title or anything else. The reality is a far cry from tidy legal theories. Officer Quigley has been protected by the very powerful force of the Long Beach city government. God only knows why. Her acts are criminal and she should be charged accordingly. But don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Quigley should run the joint · 1 year ago

Officer, Lt., ACO, dog catcher, no matter the title, Quigley is the best LBAC could have.

That you, Quigley? · 1 year ago

Fortunately the view expressed in 125 is not shared by the rational, thinking person--and certainly not by the animals she kills so joyfully.

Quigley, do the world a favor and find another line of work.

In your wildest dreams · 1 year ago

#126

Anon. · 1 year ago

Shirley Vaugh is behaving as though she and Quigley are bedmates. Time for Shirley to take a temp. leave of absence from FOLBA until Quigley is fired. No-body in their right mind would donate to a PET WELFARE org.(FOLBA) that promotes killing pets.

someone else who knows · 1 year ago

Roger was very instrumental in getting Wes the position know as Senior Services Officer. Roger along with Michael Johnson and Ron Arias and the approval of the City, worked and created that position just for Wesley Moore.
Animal Control was turned into a Division so that the person taking over Roger's position didn't need a degree, just experience. Wes, took over that position and he could have been very good at it, but, he had Michelle slowly leading him down the path that lead out of the front door.
Animal Control has a lot of good officer, but I must agree with #121, there really is no one that is well qualified to function in the Senior Officer slots, not even Michelle Quigley.
The Sergeant position like the Lieutenant positions were created by Michelle, who has a very strong infatuation with the military. I'm still trying to figure out why she left (the marines), especially since she wants things to be run as though one is enlisted in the military.
I do think that Officer Linn could be a good Senior Officer, he reminds me of a young Wes. Michelle allows Linn and Peltier to act in positions that technically don't exist. She will not let them make any real decisions. So, even in Christine's letter where she says a Segeant was watching, it was really just another Officer who was looking on, and that's why no action has been taken against him.
Anyway back to the subject at hand.
Just because someone is nice to the Animals or smiles at the customers or even talks babytalk doesn't make the Supervisor material. And I am not trying to offend any of the Officers at Animal Control. The Officers that were mentioned are good officers. However to be in a supervisory position it requires someone who can lead without be an egomaniac(MQ), know when to delegate and do it without prejudice, have good communication skills, and not belittle the people you supervisor because you're unhappy with yourself, and know how to go out and work the field when you're short staff and know how to support the people that work under you. Roger was a good Bureau Manager, Wes was an awesome Senior Officer, Mark Carey was the fair person you could have as a supervisor, and God rest his soul Wayne was very a very good Senior is became to ill to really do the job.


Lt, dogcatcher, Sr, officer, ACO,Senior Operations officer(whch is the title Michelle prefers) it doesn't matter what you call her as long as you call her GONE, EX LT., Ex dogcatcher, EX Sr., Ex officer, EX aco, or never was a Senior Operations officer, but the title everybody would like is EX Emplolyee.
Bye Quigs

Bye, Bye Officer Quigley · 1 year ago

"Some else who knows" wrote an intelligent and thoughtful post--#129. Please call John Keisler at 562-570-3051 and share your insights. (See post 175 - Animal Control Shake Up.) It is so important that knowledgeable people call him. I don't know if he will be effective or not, but it's a first step toward getting rid of Quigley.

Takes 1 to Know · 1 year ago

Very nice comment #129 I agree with you on everything except D.Linn, he does remind me of a young Wes, but he could be yanked around on a chain, just like Wes was, and also If Michelle is so Military-why does she continue not to wear our city issued uniforms(except in the media) I like Linn, and your right, just because you get along with people and animals, doesn't make you a good manager. You must also be able to listen, stay level-headed during chaos, step in to what ever position needs to be filled when short staffed,yes Michelle and Steve, euthanasia & kennels too! Roger didn't and wouldn't take the constant badgering and temper tantrums that Quigley would throw out, for all to see on many occasions, but she had everyone in such a choke hold that no matter what you did, it was wrong, and if you questioned, you were wrong, it got so bad many wouldn't make decisions. She would have a fit about that when it happened too, so you must have patience and be able to put yourself in the other persons position before lashing out with hurtful or demeaning comments!
Those of you who don't work at LBAC, say why do you stay ? I asked myself that everyday, I stay because there is hope at the end of this tunnel of Quigley & Peltier's continued harrasement and city contract violations. It's coming and no one can stop it, you see. Too many people are just wating for the investigator to call them in and talk. Many are afraid, but know that they must do the right thing here for everyone, including themselves. I can't wait for my turn. I have been watching and documenting violations for the last 3 years. I have papers to document everything I will say. No matter how hard they try to discredit me(Q & P) no matter what they say, they can not deny my allegations. You see Quigley & Peltier, we are not as dumb as you thought, quietly and with patience we wait for our turn, and it will come. As God has said the "meek" shall inherit the earth. Please don't confuse meek with weak!

someone else who knows · 1 year ago

Take 1 to know, thank you.

I also agree with what you wrote and I must say you wrote your statement clearly and precisely, while I did make a few mistakes.
I hope the investigators do what they say they are going to do and not just try to sweep things under the carpet.
There was a time that I really enjoyed working at Animal Control, especially when Michelle was an officer. It was really something to see her transform from an ok officer to a crazed Supervisor. Peltier has his own issues, and no he would not make a good supervisor, he has an acting role and that has inflated his ego to points unknown, so one can only imagine how bad it would be if he were to be given an official position as a Senior Officer.

Also thank you Bye Bye Officer Quigley. However I don't think Mr. Keisler would listen to me, I am no longer an employee at Animal Control, but i know with Quigley gone, it will be a mcuh better place to work.

So again I say, Lt, dogcatcher, Sr, officer, ACO,Senior Operations officer(whch is the title Michelle prefers) it doesn’t matter what you call her as long as you call her GONE, EX LT., Ex dogcatcher, EX Sr., Ex officer, EX aco, or never was a Senior Operations officer, but the title everybody would like is EX Emplolyee.
Bye Quigs

Bye, Bye Officer Quigley · 1 year ago

To Somone else who knows: I really hope you will reconsider and call Mr. Keisler. The news article said he was asking for input from anyone with a bad experience at Long Beach Animal Control. This would include current and former employees, as well as the public. The more people who speak up, the greater the chance that Officer Quigley will be looking for another line of work. The worst thing is to remain silent. I'm going to call tomorrow and if I get thru to Mr. Keisler I'll post what I find out. I hope others do the same.

Why · 1 year ago

Why call Keisler if the PI is looking at these comments -- redundant.

Just stop · 1 year ago

Just stop it all now it is an embarrassment to the buisness.

If only your time was spent working while being paid to do so none of this would be happening. Instead you choose do do people like this. You all have obviosuly spend so much time not working and drumming things up not handleing business and it's all everyone elses fault. I have spent more time trying to get these nasty things removed that have individuals names on it because it's disgusting. The City is only interested in the "alleged" brutality and negelct not this gossip and personal hatred you have for each other.
Please stop all of it and wait for what ever it is you are waiting for. In the end I hope you get nothing because you all don't deserve it.

Right On · 1 year ago

Everyone here with an itch makes all rescues, shelters, fosters look evil.

It's Me :) · 1 year ago

Not sure about Keisler from what I've heard he is not dealing with personel issues. Plus he's talking with Quigley daily behind closed doors?

to itsme · 1 year ago

are you itsme from na over at neds

To the one and only · 1 year ago

Don’t play down your postings. You must of been drunk everytime because none of it makes sense. Some examples are:

I have not posted one name also

First I was drunk. I said I have not targeted or said anything about anyone specific and do not put anything down that I have heard about.

my real name is tonya now what do you have to say

ps I am ron

Christine what hole have you been hiding in?

I don’t target anyone

I have a major problem with that should shut up because there is so much dirt on them it is not funny and if need I will pull everything out AND BURY THEM.
First if you are talking to me bite me was not me. I am sitting back and watching and waiting you all play nice.

I will stay out and not bend like steel. Shaking things up is not hard with this crew you are all at each others throats and don’t know who is saying what.

P.S. I noticed you said I have not posted on this site so you have posted on others then….

what are you put on there if you are not on leave?

Now you are calling names. I am a coward who starts something and the goes in hiding? I think that the rest of the click need to jump off the ship also with the rest.

I am not saving posts

I have a file of a couple of people that are using this as a personal attack on people that have nothing to do with this

I will stay out and not bend like steel.

The City is only interested in the “alleged” brutality and negelct not this gossip and personal hatred you have for each other.

I have stopped as I stated

to itsme · 1 year ago

p.s, are you gloria

george · 1 year ago

regarding comment 128....you don't know what your talking about. The FOLBAC have been nothing but supportive of Animal Control and the welfare of animals...

Anon. · 1 year ago

Shirley Vaughn and FOLBAC has been a little to close A tie to Quigley ,supports Quiggy's kill spree regarding the killing of thousands of adoptable pets, this is unacceptable in animal Welfare, Shirley go hug Quiggy your the only friend she has left.

george · 1 year ago

lets get back to some basic concerns.

The City Manager should to the money budgeted for CIvil Service and give it to Animal Control. Civil Service needs to go...this department is the major reason why hiring is so difficult. If you know anything about the hiring process....you would agree. The list that is sent to departments contains names of people that were not hired on the interview, would never be hired but the department manager have to waste there time re-interviewing them. What a waste of time.

Ron Arias should retire. He has lost what it means to manage and mentor. Some of his pay should go to raising the pay scale at Animal Control. Ron did not know what was going on at Animal Control because he chose not to know. He had been asked to help Wesley out with personnel issues but did nothing. The staff at Animal Control should be disgusted with Ron and treatment of Wesley. The staff at the shelter are caring people and work well with the spcaLA. There are always going to be personality differences but both agencies have one thing in common...they love animals. What happened to educating staff and management ......spend the money and show staff you care about them. Maybe if Ron Arisas had taken a class on senitivity he would have not fired Wesley over the phone...OH excuse me...asked Wesley to resign!!!!

to opponents · 1 year ago

nedthetoothpick is still looking for an animal shelter host. it would be a perfect spot for rescue, foster, shelter and pound opponents to take up their cause. ask na, they can tell you.

It's Easy to See · 1 year ago

I've been watching this conversation for a while and it's astounding to me. It's been well-known to anyone who is at all involved in animal welfare that Quigley has become crazy. Just the killing stats alone point to someone who is not effectively managing an animal CARE and control agency within a community. Her attitude towards rescues (and the rescues she chooses to work with) are extremely telling.

It is so flippin' obvious that Quigley and her little team are posting as fast as they can trying to make it seem like the people who are "complaining" are just whiners. But then you get real posts here and you thank God that it's all starting to come out, that people who have been holding it together for the animals at LBAC are getting braver. Don't stop you guys. If the city investigator is a fake thing, get yourselves together and get in front of some TV cameras. Call Pat Morrisson at KPCC. Somebody call Bob Taylor out at Dogwish.

Quigley's sticking her fingers in the dyke but the cracks are just too big now. It's time for the flood.

Don't worry · 1 year ago

Don't worry, the comments may be slowing down but we are not. Everyone knows that the investigation is part of the process. All involved are fully aware that this may be a failure. This government has had it's chance to make things right, but they decided to try keep it hush hush and cover up. NOT VERY NICE! This is frustrating and wrong. On the other hand, it will make a better story to watch on the news.

not worried · 1 year ago

we've got our boots on for the flood. do what you have to do. we'll be waiting. we'll also be waiting for heather to break the news.

Make Your Voice Heard · 1 year ago

I called John Keisler who is the point man for Q & A from the community regarding the investigation. He told me that he has little information from LBPD who is handling the criminal investigation part. This is true, since the cops don't normally reveal too much while an investigation is in process. Mr. Keisler also told me that the management consultant team is there to do more than just recommend changes; that they will ask for direct and factual input from shelter employees regarding all areas of operation. Mr. Keisler impressed me as being sincere, open and frank, He was willing to listen; was very polite; and is fully aware of how the reputation of the shelter has been tarnished. I urge all of you to contact him and provide your input, experiences and observations about problems at LBAC. Mr. Keisler also expressed his desire to move forward quickly with the investigation(s). He can be reached at 562-570-3051.

call right away · 1 year ago

okay we will

Takes 1 to Know · 1 year ago

Yes everyone who has concerns needs to call, I did and was not disappointed. I felt my issues were heard and I was never made to feel like I had to defend myself. Those of you writing here that really care about your jobs at LBAC and about the shelter itself needs to make your voices heard, please call! Remaining silent is the same as saying it's ok for the managers to continue violating our rights to work in a hostile free environment.

do it right now · 1 year ago

make sure you are heard. there was one letter here. make sure there are tens of thousands of complaints made to 562-570-3051

To #147 · 1 year ago

You are the main reason why this happened in the first place. Obvious that you are one of the hostile ones.

To #151 · 1 year ago

#151- Hostile

right one · 1 year ago

only those who disagree with you are considered hostile, others are perfect, okay we get it, you are right

george · 1 year ago

Call about Ron Arias and his lack of management skills. Call the City Manager at 570-6916..and ask when he is calling Mr. Arias to request that he retire or resign. Call and compliment the staff at Animal Control...they are doing a good job.

george · 1 year ago

what happened to the health tech....are you back to work or still claiming stress..

1 who knows · 1 year ago

Watch it "George" aka _ _ _, you don't know her medical condition and anything you say you are liable (slander), back off or get your money. PS, are you doing your job??? From what we know you're still trying to push everyone around are ya.

1 · 1 year ago

HA

right one · 1 year ago

slander is oral, libel is written -- for the 1 who knows

to the big ....... · 1 year ago

saw a song at ntp, do you want to sing along, youre so ........, you probably think this song ........ rahrahsisboombahned call 562.......

george · 1 year ago

when your over your health issue and I wish you a speedy recovery.....Christine.....lets take bets on will you return or not to AC
.

george · 1 year ago

lets put the heat on the City Manager..to do away with Civil Service. The hiring process will be much easier.

george · 1 year ago

Christine...get health soon and return to work

DEMAND Local Changes But Uphol · 1 year ago

Look at what's going on in the Legislative Analyst's office! Maybe Quigley thought she was test the case for repealing the Hayden Act! Maybe she was killing all those animals so she could get reimbursed from the state coffers for their care. I'm guessing there's some fudged paperwork in her files.

People -- we cannot let this happen! California cannot turn every shelter into an LBAC killing zone just so some legislator can say he cut the budget! How about some civil servant salary rollbacks! Animals should be treated better in this state. Contact your representatives at every level to keep the Hayden act in place -- and further to put some teeth in it with some freakin' penalties for agencies like Quigley's that routine flip the bird and think they are above the law!

Animal Adoption mandate
Background
Chapter 752, Statutes of 1998 (SB 1785, Hayden), changed state policy regarding shelter care for stray and abandoned animals. Most notably, Chapter 752 (1) declared, “It is the policy of the state that no adoptable animal should be euthanized if it can be adopted into a suitable home,” and (2) lengthened the time (generally from three days to six) that shelters must care for animals before euthanizing them.

When the Legislature considered Chapter 752, it was advised that the measure would not impose a state–reimbursable mandate because shelters would receive increased adoption and owner–redemption fees. These fees would offset shelter costs to care for the animals for the longer period.

Shortly after Chapter 752 was enacted, local governments filed a mandate test claim with the commission. The commission found that the cost of caring for the animals that were adopted or reunited with their owners was not a reimbursable mandate (because owners paid fees to offset these costs). In the case of animals that were euthanized, however, the commission found that local government shelters’ cost to care for them for three additional days was a state–reimbursable mandate.

Whenever the commission finds a mandate, its next task is to adopt a methodology that local governments use to file reimbursement claims. While mandate law gives the commission flexibility as to the form this methodology takes, the focus must be on reimbursing the specific elements of legislation found to be a mandate, not promoting the legislation’s policy objectives.

In the case of this mandate, the commission created a methodology that reimburses local government shelters for (1) their increased cost of caring for the animals that they euthanize and (2) certain minor costs, such as maintaining lost and found lists. In 2008–09, local governments are expected to claim $23 million for this mandate. Almost all of the cost is for the food, medical care, and space needed to keep animals alive for the longer period. Private shelters are not eligible for the mandate reimbursements.

Analysis
Given the state’s interest in promoting animal adoptions, we examined whether Chapter 752’s longer holding period results in increased adoptions—either directly due to its requirement or indirectly through the mandate funding provided. Our review indicates that there is little reason to believe it does.

Direct Impact of Longer Holding Period. Throughout the United States, there are many more animals in shelters than there are households looking to adopt pets. Partly because of this imbalance between supply and demand, roughly one–half of the animals entering shelters are euthanized. Chapter 752’s requirement that shelters keep animals alive longer increases the supply of animals in shelters on any specific day. It also gives animal rescue organizations more time to transfer animals to their facilities. This increased supply of adoptable animals (at shelters and rescue facilities) can give households greater choice in selecting a pet to adopt. It does not necessarily mean, however, that more households adopt pets. That is, the mandate does nothing to increase the demand for these animals.

Indirect Effect of Shelter Funding. To increase the number of pets adopted, more households need to adopt pets rather than buy them from stores or breeders. Especially over the last decade, as concern regarding the treatment of animals has grown, many shelters, animal rescue, and humane groups have taken significant steps towards promoting animal adoption. Does the funding provided under Chapter 752 support these efforts? Our review finds no link between the funding provided under Chapter 752 and programs that encourage animal adoption. Specifically, under the mandate’s reimbursement methodology, shelters do not get more state funds if more households adopt animals. Rather, shelters that euthanize the most animals receive the most state funds. Shelters that are the most successful in promoting adoptions receive the least state funds.

This gap between Chapter 752’s policy goals and mandate reimbursements stems from the requirements of mandate law. Specifically, the California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local governments for the cost of required activities—without regard to local success in achieving the desired outcomes

Recommendation
Because the goals of Chapter 752 are not suited to implementation as a mandate, we recommend the Legislature repeal the elements of Chapter 752 that impose a mandate. We further recommend that the state pay the outstanding costs for this mandate over time. (Reduce Item 8885–295–0001 by $13 million and increase Item 8885–299–0001 by $3 million.)

Given mandate law’s focus on reimbursing local governments for activities, rather than the achievement of policy objectives, few state objectives are suited to implementation as mandates. This is particularly true when the state seeks to encourage local governments to make significant policy changes, such as in the case of Chapter 752.

Because there is no evidence that the longer holding period (or its mandate funding) furthers state policy objectives, we recommend the Legislature repeal this requirement of Chapter 752 (along with the other minor elements of the measure found to be a mandate). This action would eliminate the state’s obligation to reimburse local governments for their increased costs of caring for animals that they euthanize. If the Legislature wishes to give shelters more incentives to promote animal adoptions, we recommend the Legislature try a different approach. For example, the Legislature could pilot an incentive program that gives funding to those shelters that increase the number of animals successfully adopted. (As a point of reference, based on information provided by the Department of Public Health, the state could give local government shelters $30 for every dog or cat adopted for a total annual cost of about $12 million.)

Reduce Funding in Budget for Mandates by $13 Million. The Constitution generally requires the Legislature to (1) pay all outstanding bills for a mandate in the upcoming budget or (2) suspend or repeal the mandate. Repealing the Animal Adoption mandate, therefore, would allow the Legislature to remove funds for it from the budget bill. While the funds for this mandate were not identified specifically in the budget bill, we estimate it to be about $13 million. (This amount represents the outstanding costs for this mandate from 2005–06 and 2006–07.)

Increase Funding in Budget for Prior–Year Mandate Claims by $3 Million. Repealing the Animal Adoption mandate would not eliminate the state’s long–term obligation to pay outstanding costs incurred before the repeal. If the Legislature repealed this mandate at the time it enacted the 2008–09 budget, we estimate that it would owe local governments about $36 million for 2005–06 through 2007–08 activities. (That is, $13 million for outstanding 2005–06 and 2006–07 claims and $23 million for 2007–08.) The Constitution does not specify a deadline for payment of these outstanding mandate costs. Given the state’s fiscal condition, we recommend the Legislature include resources for outstanding 2005–06 through 2007–08 Animal Adoption claims with the state’s payment for the mandate backlog. Under this approach, local governments would be reimbursed for their Animal Adoption mandate costs, with interest, over the next 13 years, at a rate of about $3 million per year.

Summary of Budget Actions. We recommend the Legislature:

Repeal the requirements of Chapter 752 found to be a state–reimbursable mandate.
Reduce by $13 million the funds provided in the budget bill for this mandate to pay 2005–06 and 2006–07 mandate claims.
Increase by $3 million the funds provided in the budget to make a payment for the mandate backlog and prior year Animal Adoption claims.

To LB · 1 year ago

Manager of Moses Lake/Grant County Humane Society Shelter under Investigation for Animal Cruelty
April 4, 2007 : 12:00 AM
by Ted Brewer, Best Friends staff

Two employees at the Moses Lake/Grant County Humane Society shelter reported to the society’s board of directors and the Moses Lake Police Department that the facility’s new manager, Theresa “Terry” Parker, has cruelly and unnecessarily been euthanizing several puppies and other highly adoptable dogs impounded and born at the shelter. In addition, two animal control officers have filed animal cruelty charges against Parker.

The current board of directors at the Moses Lake/Grant County Human Society has, of yet, refused to relieve Parker of her position, and has in fact supported her continued employment.

The two employees claim that, even though there was plenty of space available at the shelter for the dogs, Parker euthanized them anyway, allowing them a period of only two to three days for them to be adopted before ending their lives. In one instance, Parker euthanized an entire litter of eight born at the shelter, as well as its mother.

“In truth,” employee Stacey Hill wrote in a letter to the board and sent to the Moses Lake Police Department, “[the shelter] has become a death row prison for animals.”

Hill’s letter claims Parker admitted that her certification as a euthanasia technician had expired, but nonetheless insisted on injecting the dogs herself. It also claims that on numerous occasions Parker was unable to find a vein in which to inject the poison, and instead injected it into either the dog’s abdominal cavity or heart.

The shelter uses a poison called FatalPlus to euthanize the dogs. A sodium pentobarbital, FatalPlus causes severe pain if not injected directly into the blood stream. Hill reported seeing previously healthy dogs “running around the room and screaming in pain,” as well as “slamming their heads against the wall,” before collapsing and dying.

“It’s not due to a lack of space, health issues, or behavior problems,” the second employee, Connie Sanders, wrote in an email requesting help from animal assistance organizations. “Simply fewer dogs mean less work for the staff.”

Sanders and Hill both also stated that Parker was extremely liable to euthanize any dog that barked or snapped, and that she refused to keep more than three puppies at the shelter at any given time. The rest were euthanized.

According to Sanders and Hill, Parker severely limits the amount of food given to the dogs, allowing each dog only a cup or two of dry food per day, even though the shelter has, according to Sanders, “plenty of food” on hand. The dogs have therefore lost a considerable amount of weight and are susceptible to diseases.

The first employee to contact the board of directors with her concerns about Parker was Sanders. She was fired by the board for doing so, though she was responsible for raising the number of adoptions from 50 per month (at the time she was hired) to between 100 and 150.

The president of the board, Harmony L.A. White, resigned out of protest for keeping Parker on duty, as did three other members.

The Moses Lake/Grant County Humane Society is a privately-owned, non-profit corporation, but receives funds from both the city and the county.

White and a group of concerned citizens, including Sanders, are now demanding that Parker be removed from her position immediately and that conditions at the shelter improve. They have brought their case to the mayor of Moses Lake, the Grant County Commission, and are scheduled to testify before the Moses Lake City Council on April 10.

The group is spearheaded by Peny Archer, who at first worried that any news of Parker’s practices would prevent people from donating badly needed funds to the shelter, but now sees no alternative but to go public with the news.

“We’ve been hesitant about airing dirty laundry,” Archer said, “but we’re getting stonewalled now.”

Referring to the current board members who refuse to fire Parker, Archer said, “these are people who have been in control since day one, and they don’t want to give it up. It’s their way or the highway.”

Though Parker has, for now, been barred from euthanizing any more dogs, Archer still worries about the welfare, hygiene, and overall health of the dogs at the shelter, and about how Parker might be treating them.

Archer is requesting help from anyone who might have advice or suggestions for how to end the abuse at her local animal shelter.

Dick Maier, DVM
(this is the vet currently handling the euthanasia)

To LB · 1 year ago

Group calls pet deaths cruel
Heart sticks used at shelter painful
By Lynne P. Shackleford
Published: Friday, April 25, 2008 | Updated: 10:02 am
Four days after two former shelter volunteers informed Cherokee County Council that its animal control officers were performing cruel and unlawful euthanizations on shelter animals, it's still unclear how long and why the procedure was ever used.
About 20 people, some affiliated with local animal organizations, attended the county public works committee meeting Thursday afternoon. They wanted to know why animal control officers used intracardial injections, commonly known as heart sticks, to euthanize conscious shelter animals and what guidelines would be imposed to ensure the method isn't used again.
The committee agreed to continue the action council took Monday in contracting with local veterinarians to perform necessary euthanizations in the short-term. Committee chairman Bailey Humphries said that option could be a long-term solution for the county.
Humphries said he was unclear why the intracardial injections were performed on fully conscious animals instead of the preferred method of intravenous injections.
State law prohibits intracardial injections on conscious animals. The legislation states that if the method is used, the animal should be anesthetized and comatose.
Andrea Gilfillan and Libby Swad told council Monday evening that animal control officers, who are licensed and trained in animal euthanasia, were using the method, and they asked for council's assistance to stop the practice.
Department of Health and Environmental Control agents met with animal control officers and a local veterinarian Tuesday morning because neither the shelter nor any of its employees are licensed to have controlled substances in their possession. The county was purchasing the federally regulated substance used to euthanize animals from a local veterinarian, according to county officials.
DHEC spokeswoman Clair Boatwright would not comment on whether an investigation was ongoing or discuss possible penalties.
Dr. Rebecca Laster of the Gaffney Animal Hospital agreed to provide euthanasia services on a contractual basis if the county met certain stipulations. Those included allowing her to review records of the shelter animals and ensuring that animals brought into the shelter have been checked for a microchip, as provided by state law.
Humphries said the county would contact all local veterinarians and likely would contract with those interested on an as-needed basis.
The cost to the county would be substantially more than it has been in the past several years because no anesthetic has been purchased, only the controlled substance used to euthanize the animals.
Sandy Christiansen, director of the Spartanburg Humane Society, described Spartanburg's shelter operations to the committee and said contracting with a veterinarian to provide the service is not comparable to animal control officers performing the procedure in-house, since veterinarians have extensive training and must close their businesses to visit the shelter and perform the euthanizations.
Christiansen contradicted a statement that Interim County Administrator Ben Clary made earlier in the meeting about euthanasia, saying the practice is humane if performed correctly. Clary told committee members that there was no humane way to destroy or kill anything, including dogs, humans and snakes, but that society dictates that the method is necessary.
"There are worse fates an animal can meet than euthanasia, but if it's not done properly, it can be really bad," Christiansen said. "It's sad - no question about that - and it's not desirable to euthanize animals, but many of us are in a position to consider more humane ways of euthanasia than what's being described."
Dr. Bonnie Beaver is the past president of the American Veterinary Medical Association, a professor in the Texas A&M University's College of Veterinary Medicine and considered an euthanasia expert by the AVMA. Beaver said the preferred euthanasia method is an intravenous (IV) injection so the animal only feels a prick.
An intracardial injection on a fully conscious animal is stressful, painful and requires precision because the heart, lungs and the animal are moving during the procedure, Beaver said. It is also difficult to perform with precision, the doctor said. The purpose of euthanasia is to provide the animal with a humane death with minimal stress on the animal, Beaver added.
Christiansen agreed, at Humphries' request, to assist the shelter in making improvements and implementing guidelines, but Christiansen said others at the meeting also were qualified to provide input and have made suggestions in the past.

who let the dogs out · 1 year ago

lets get a head count of how many people read the last three posts

waving to apbt · 1 year ago

shaking your finger at all of us,,,are you a board nanny

Takes 1 to Know · 1 year ago

It really doesn't matter how many read thelast three posts"who let the dogs out, it's making sure the right person does. Thank you TO LB>

Board Nanny? · 1 year ago

Well that's a new one...

To "waving to abpt" · 1 year ago

It is nice you are up at 5:56 am to post and citicize. Haha!!

george · 1 year ago

It appears that some people need to be educated on the holding period for animals at the LBAC.. LBAC has always held there animals longer that
manidated. Education....can be a powerful thing.

Quigleygate Redux · 1 year ago

Yeah, George, tell that to the 70 cats killed within oh about 2 hours after they were confiscated from the 2 hoarders.

Education is indeed a powerful thing. You should try it sometime.

Oh I know--the cats were all suffering so much killing them was the kindest thing...

But wait--there was no vet at LBAC to make that call...just Dr. Quigley in her infinite wisdom...(Quigley: fleas and earmites are treatable conditions)

waving to wd · 1 year ago

quigleys great

george · 1 year ago

Your partly right...70 cats were impounded....but the health tech and the vet concluded (agreed) that the humane thing to do was to euthanize them. Several were adopted.....which is the goal of the LBAC and spcaLA....Adoption when possible.

to apbt · 1 year ago

your wagging your finger reminds me of clinton

Quigleygate Redux · 1 year ago

George, get your facts straight: two, only two, were sent to the "no kill" SPCA/LA
side. The rest were killed on the spot. Do your homework.

Which vet said that none other than those two could be saved? Names, George, names. I saw the cats on TV. They didn't look so sick that they couldn't be treated. Who was the vet that said they were suffering so badly they needed to be euthanized immediately? What ailments did they have? What tests were conducted? Where is the proof?

It wasn't the humane thing to do, George, it was the expedient thing to do.

Replying to "to abpt" · 1 year ago

Please don't insult me. ;) hee hee

to nttp · 1 year ago

have you askted wd or apbt if they want the job at the shelter

To the ABPT and WD fanatic · 1 year ago

Oddly enough, I really do think you have some good in you. You have way too much time on your hands... but a some-what good person none the less.

you dont like clinton either · 1 year ago

thats a good sign, mccain is military, military is good traning, didnt some one say quigley was in military to

lots of time · 1 year ago

the cats like me to be home careing for them

To the ABPT and WD fanatic · 1 year ago

Don't vote for Huckabee!! His son torchered a dog to death and Huckabee thought it was "the humane thing to do"!!!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

To lots of time · 1 year ago

Yeah, just keep em' away from Ms Q and you'll be fine.

to to lots of time · 1 year ago

im a responsable owner, my cats are never out side, i think you dont like quigley and if thats your opinon thats ok,

I am sure you are · 1 year ago

I am sure you are a responsible owner, I never said you weren't. And no, I am not fond of her.

Say hi to the kitties for me! :)

Quiggabee · 1 year ago

Re: Post 183: Sounds like Huckabee's son would fit right in at LBAC. Why don't you folks at animal control offer him a job?

OR BETTER YET · 1 year ago

Take over NAAR!

The RETURN · 1 year ago

To #177 All those cats had urine burns and upper respitory type ailments. Sure, probably treatable sickness and injuries. But at the expense of exposing all the other cats in the shelter to illness. You have to realize, once introduced to the shelter, these diseases spread quickly and have the potential of contaminating all the animals, healthy and otherwise. Besides, almost all the cats were unsocialized and inbred. Making adoption a non-option. Don't blame the shelter, blame the 2 sick individuals that piled garbage bags and bags of filth floor to ceiling and allowed the cats to breed at will. Who knows what these sick women are doing now. I know they have moved out of Long Beach and probably continued their sickness elsewhere. I think they have hamed their new home "Noah's Ark the Return".

To 189 · 1 year ago

URI's can be treated successfully with anitibiotics for little money. You are too lazy and too cheap to spend the money. I place the blame where it belongs: Long Beach Animal Control. The hoarders never should have allowed those cats to breed in the first place, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Maybe Long Beach Animal Control should rename itself: The Killing Fields

Also For 189 · 1 year ago

Thank you for your confessions about violating the Hayden Act.

Helping LBAC · 1 year ago

I thought I would help with a Policy and Procedure Manual for LBAC, since reports indicate you don't have one:

Chapter 1 - Live animals breathe. Dead animals do not. Therefore if an animal
is breathing, it is alive. Do not put live animals into bins with dead
animals.

Chapter 2 - Animals suffer when they are choked until blood gushes from their
mouths and noses. Do not choke animals until blood gushes from
them. In fact, do not choke them at all.

After employees have a thorough understanding of Chapters 1 and 2, we'll move on to Chapter 3.

Jan Hjorth · 1 year ago

Quiggles had a perfectly good excuse in her eyes to kill those 70 cats. To Quigley The cats were infidels , in exterminating those vermins she secured her spot in paradise where she will have 72 virgins waiting for her..

The RETURN of NAAR · 1 year ago

To #190, like I wrote before, "probably treatable sickness and injuries", but at the expense of other healthy adoptable animals. Rename the hoarder house Noah's Ark part 3. Maybe when they get out of jail they can look up the 2 hoarders and be roommates.

To 194 · 1 year ago

Read the Hayden Act. It's the law. LBAC breaks this law repeatedly. All you are doing with the Noah's Ark comments is trying to divert focus away from LBAC. You are a bore.

The RETURN of NAAR · 1 year ago

Are you joining the class action suit too.....

isn't · 1 year ago

isnt aleixia still in prison and didnt gloreia get released super early from jail, which bites, she should have served her full term if she ddid get out early

The RETURN of NAAR · 1 year ago

Hayden Act:
............................ SEC. 5. Section 1834.4 1834.4. (a) It is the policy of the state that no adoptable animal should be euthanized if it can be adopted into a suitable home. Adoptable animals include only those animals eight weeks of
age or older that, at or subsequent to the time the animal is
impounded or otherwise taken into possession, have manifested no sign
of a behavioral or temperamental defect that could pose a health or
safety risk or otherwise make the animal unsuitable for placement as
a pet, and have manifested no sign of disease, injury, or congenital
or hereditary condition that adversely affects the health of the
animal or that is likely to adversely affect the animal's health........................ 31752.5. ...... cats with temperaments that are completely
unsocialized, are considered feral cats........... Feral cats pose particular safety hazards for shelter employees...............It is cruel to keep feral cats caged for long periods of time;.... A feral cat is totally unsocialized to people ..
>>>>>>>>THUS unadoptable<<<<<<<<<<<<thus LBAC in compliance with the LAW.....check your facts...BORING one....go back and light a candle in front of the state prison..

george · 1 year ago

it is nice to be in the company of some people that are thinkers and tell the truth... thank you to comment 198...LBAC is following the law....
thank you again...

question · 1 year ago

how much are attornies going to get paid for class action law suit,,,is kraus or willaimson doing it,,,who is paying for appeals, friends or who,,,who is returning naar wasnt there state attornie general stuff going on with naar,,,how is attornie general stuff going on with quigley,,,have nt heard any news,,,did it all fall into a gofer hole,,,isnt arnie letting aleixia out early

anon. · 1 year ago

George its nice to see Quigley still has 1 friend , you. Sir your hopelessly out numbered by those who want the killings stopped and Quigley fired.

only ones · 1 year ago

only ones i see who want quigley fired are na groupees and mad employes and ex employes

hey heather and dave · 1 year ago

we are stil waiting for the truth to come oooozing out,,,any updates

laughing stock · 1 year ago

You guys are an embarrassment to LBAC...in due time, in due time (you already know the truth, now you're just scared). We are not done yet, but you knew that. Just because there is less activity visible here does not mean there is no activity. You are still trying to deflect the attention off of you. This was only phase 1. The only things oooozing are the URI eyes of all the sick cats due to the fact that there is still NO Veterinarian on staff and still NO Premise License......so basically, the shelter can't operate. Who is going to get fined? LBAC,( talk about waisting the tax dollars). Who is going to get fired? YOU!

laughing stock three · 1 year ago

sweetann cant seem toget enough of nttp but the shelter still needs a host,,,may be you should apply

To 198 · 1 year ago

You conveniently left out the part of the Hayden act which recognizes that some animals may be frightened and appear to be feral. The law provides a holding period to determine if they are truly feral or simply frightened domestic animals. It's a longer period than the 5 minutes allowed by the LBAC "experts" before they killed the 70 cats.

YOu killed the cats without giving them the required amount of time. You are in violation of the Hayden Act.

Does the Hayden Act allowed for strangulation of dogs? Don't think so!

Takes 1 to Know · 1 year ago

comment #202 I am not under any of those catergories you mentioned, and I am very much involved. Quigley and friend, violated laws and will be accountable for them. The friend who comes here, is only trying to make this about NA, no my friend, it's so much bigger than that. Some people who get power and control, get a false sense of security that if they push hard enough, subordinates will back down.But the problem with this thinking is know when to fold em! You pushed to much Quigley and friend. You hurt broke laws implemented to protect the animals, and for that you will have to answer. The city officials will hear such a loud outcry for justice, if this investigation does not require you to leave. NA groupies, ex employees, mad employees and the citizens of Long Beach will demand justice. So comment #199 if you think it's ok to let animals suffer, and be treated inhumanely, then you are right, LBAC is following the law..the law of Quigley

To 198 · 1 year ago

Poster 198 re-wrote the Hayden Act to conform to LBAC standards of brutality. Here is what the Hayden Act really states. Note the min. 3 day holding period to determine if a cat is feral or merely frightened. (Who wouldn't be scared after being dragged away by the goons at LBAC?)


"b) For the purposes of this section, a "feral cat" is defined as
a cat without owner identification of any kind whose usual and
consistent temperament is extreme fear and resistance to contact with
people. A feral cat is totally unsocialized to people.
(c) Notwithstanding Section 31752, if an apparently feral cat has
not been reclaimed by its owner or caretaker within the first three
days of the required holding period, shelter personnel qualified to
verify the temperament of the animal shall verify whether it is feral
or tame by using a standardized protocol. If the cat is determined
to be docile or a frightened or difficult tame cat, the cat shall be
held for the entire required holding period specified in Section
31752. If the cat is determined to be truly feral, the cat may be
euthanized or relinquished to a nonprofit, as defined in Section 501
(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, animal adoption organization
that agrees to the spaying or neutering of the cat if it has not
already been spayed or neutered. In addition to any required spay or
neuter deposit, the pound or shelter, at its discretion, may assess
a fee, not to exceed the standard adoption fee, for the animal
released."

198, you are not only boring, but also deceitful. Light a candle for yourself. You need one.

LBAC "Help Wanted" · 1 year ago

Here's the roster for the LBAC Dream Team:

Michael Vick
Huckabee's Son
Shon Rahrig
Poster 198
"Lt" Q,

All you need now is an anthem...something to do with killing...I'm sure you'll come up with something appropriate for your line of work.

Victor and Michael Vick can share notes on how to handle aggressive dogs.

The RETURN of NAAR · 1 year ago

Out of the woodwork come the cockroaches....just like that hoarder house...P.S. light 2 candles tonite.

Salt Lick · 1 year ago

I understand that some of you may have had your animals taken away, even euthanized. Or maybe someone you know is in jail or whatever. Please, please keep the trivial and childish activist comments out of this. This is about people coming forward with confirmed information and documentation. This is not for name calling or your own personal vendetta. We are dealing with real employees that have real issues. And the truth is, they don't support NA or Neds or whatever it is you are seeking so please just stop. We are not in alliance with you, we are in alliance with each other. You seem to need us more than we need you, we know we have the goods. You will not jump on our band wagon, so to speak, so please just go and stay out of it. We have all heard your opinions and your comic relief. You are doing more damage to our cause than good. It is OK to keep abreast of what is happening but you can not be a part of any of it so just go so they don't have to weed through all of these comments. thanks you so much. You have had your say and your time, now it is ours. Please support us by holding on while we try to accomplish something positive, we are not activist, just people trying to improve a situation. We know you all have your story, but it is our time, thanks.

Another Point of View · 1 year ago

211: There has been plenty of name calling from all sides, especially from LBAC employees and supporters. This issue is not about Noah's Ark or Neds. LBAC is a public facility and the public has a right to the truth. The public has a right to know what's going on at the shelter. The public has a right to speak out even if you don't like what is being said. Shame on you for insinuating that you have information you may or may not reveal: "You seem to need us more than we need you, we know we have the goods." The only thing that anyone needs is the truth about what goes on at LBAC. If you know something, you have a moral obligation to speak up and not to keep your dirty little secrets to yourself. Ultimately, this is about the welfare of the animals and you are not helping them by playing games or insulting people who do not support LBAC.

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

I agree with 'Salt Lick'. What this person is trying to say is that we are trying to speak up but it is being covered by the people posting dozens of off topic comments about other shelters and Noah's Ark! This is about injustices at LBAC (to the animals and the workers). The courts have already found that Noah's Ark is in the wrong so posting here is doing nothing! We are trying to use this comment board as a reference to show the investigators how much interest is generated by this topic but the only thing they might see is that there are too many people trying to get their own points across about other issues/organizations. We ARE talking to the investigators and the problems WILL be resolved!! There are at least two of us that will make sure of that and many others that are backing us up! We just need the RIGHT support from the public showing they demand to know and demand a change also. Show your support by also posting on my article "Why I Left Long Beach Animal Control" on district weekly.

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

If you notice I prove my own point by not posting a reply/comment until after 144 comments. Some of the comments were on topic and got straight to the point, thus not spurring me to comment. Most of the comments were either slanderous or off topic and did not warrant a comment.

Another Point of View · 1 year ago

I hope the reader will take note that most of the unkind remarks directed to Carey Macy came from current and former employees of Long Beach Animal Control.

If LBAC employees speak up about the treatment of animals in your care, then you will have my support.

If LBAC employees withhold information to hang onto a sense of power, then you do not.

DogNme · 1 year ago

LBAC employees are not with holding information for a sense of power, we are waiting for the investigation before we can disclose some of the info. Those people who knew Carey and wrote those things about him here really don't matter, Carey knows why they write such things about him, and it just shows what kind of people they are. They can't run from the truth, and it will literally set them free!

the feel sorrie for alixiea an · 1 year ago

dead cause thats fer sure

george · 1 year ago

Wesley Moore was unjustly asked to leave. Ron Arias did not do his job so why is he still collecting a check. Officer on 30 day suspension because Wesley was doing his job. Another Officer handed in her resignation because Wesley was preparing to present more disciplinary action against her. Again Wesley was doing his job. As for LBAC employees....they are working very hard and need support. So does Wesley...need support.
The animals will be cared for but what about the staff that is doing a great job but has no upper management support...Wesley was the scapegoat.

irish setter · 1 year ago

Again, George, you don't really know. Wesley was not doing his job because he had a personal vendetta against a few employee's and that skewed his judgement. You really have it in for Ron Arias, are you an disgruntled Health Department employee??? It sure sounds personal, like Ron got the best of you. Wesley was not reporting the correct problems up to Ron Arias, why does that make it Ron's fault. He is partially responsible because they promoted him with no experience, but Michael Johnson was to pick up the real slack. It would have helped if Wesley had let Ron know of certain problems before employees did. Maybe give him a heads up or something, but he was trying to hide the fact that he was heading a sinking ship. Wesley should have left sooner, you know the ones that wanted him out, most of them are still there. He was getting sloppy and careless and was on the verge, if he hadn't already, of crossing the line. Why is any of this Ron Arias's fault, where was Michael Johnson?? Roberto Uranga?? They knew of the problems and knew Wesley was not cutting the muster. Just a reminder, and as stated in the press conference, his resignation was not because of the current animal cruelty allegations or investigation. It was for things you have no knowledge of.

Your comment does not make sense. Every employee that has resigned over the past few years was planned literally for several months prior to resigning, one is only required to give two weeks. That would be when YOU found out. So you would not be knowledgeable of any of their future plans. Many of the staff knew well before an employee was going to leave, sorry no one told you. Guess you're not in as tight as you thought. Sounds like more gossip. And Wesley's resignation, well, he obviously was not planning on resigning that day, or any for that matter. Who's to say that he didn't leave because they were preparing to present more disciplinary action against him. You think you know...but you have no idea!

And yes, there are many good staff left that do need, and have, ours and everyone's support. There are some great people there, and some not so great, just like anywhere else. However, some of the root of the problems remain unchanged, for now. Things are still in the works and take time. But in the end, I am pretty sure that Ron Arias will remain in his position. At the most he might transfer to another department. This is going to be a very lengthy and exhausting process, why else would they bring in the big guns to watch over.

George and Sam sound very close, do you know Sybill?

irish red · 1 year ago

Well, SAM is "S" and "M", if you know who I mean? They are the main feed of information to the those postings but mostly have someone else do it for them as all their activity is monitored. And Ron will find out who is really after him so he can look 'em in the face when he lets 'em go. I doubt there will be any more "phone calls" . You like my yellow short "bus" now? You should have been nicer.

Bill Lyons · 1 year ago

The city of Long Beach has lost a great employee. Wes Moore former director of Animal Control is one of the finest, hard working public servants I have ever met. He has worked at the animal shelter since volunteering in high school. His dedication to the animals and the citizens of Long Beach has never been challenged. I have known Wes for twenty-two years. Ten of which I worked along side him at Animal control. It is no secret that Animal Control staff are overworked and under paid. Wes despite the frustrations and stress of the job rose through the ranks to Director. A testament to his unwavering commitment to the animals the citizens of this city so readily discard in all sorts of inhumane fashion. He is a man of character with a strong work ethic. His work history with the city is impeccable. Recently being recognized publicly by city council for his performance. He was a great example of public service.

After over a quarter off a century of service the decision to give Wes a phone call outlining options in which he could end his career with the city by his supervisor, I think was hastily conceived and implemented. He deserved more. It is disturbing to know that the investigation into the troubles of the organization is being conducted after the director was asked to leave. What is most upsetting is to know that a dedicated employee with a family and commitments like the rest of us is now faced with an uncertain future.

In the published reports I have read it sounds as though disgruntled past employees and issues with front line managers and supervisors in the organization is the root of the problem in the organization. It was no surprise to anyone who knows him when he took responsibility for their decisions and poor performance. The citizens of this city need people like Wes Moore who are willing to take on the unpopular task of cleaning up the mess of irresponsible animal owners. We the citizens of Long Beach have lost a person who truly is a public servant.

anon. · 1 year ago

aw geeezzzzzzzzzzzz....Lyons, I thought I was going to have to speed dial June Allison when you described Wes Moore as a competent employee! Wes was Quiggy's Boob job nothing more than that, a do nothing who locked himself in his office while Quiggy made a three alarm fire out of LBAC.. Moore was never qualified( college grad.) to run a shelter the city was just trying to get a GED impaired manager so they could pay him less money.

Thank you 222 · 1 year ago

Love you anon! You are funny and right on target. Great post!

anon · 1 year ago

many of the people from the shelter are on oldjimbosspaceship.yuku.com

anon · 1 year ago

a couple of them are over at counterthetoothprick.yuku.com

? · 1 year ago

When does Lexi get released or has she been released already?

? You Poor Fool! · 1 year ago

What!!!! You haven't heard!!!! Where have you been??? Being you must really suck.

DogNme · 1 year ago

Comment # 221 it's funny but we didn't see much of you at the shelter the last two years? You used to come by alot more often. I'm sure you have been busy, but Im thinking it might be the HUGE turnover rate here and you don't know many of the people left . You are right about Wes being let go, but he knew he was not protected as a civil service employee when he took the position of Animal Services Officer, and as such he can be let go at the drop o' the hat! Maybe he should have been suspended pending the investigation, as should Quigley! I think they have no one else to run the shelter, look they brought Roger in off his retirement! That man as you know, doesn't take the kind of crap that Wes would. And you don't know Vic, but he's a good guy and has a family too, and he's been put up on the block as well, on animal cruelty charges!! Management is directly involved in his case, but you don't see them being brought up on the same charges!This whole thing is because management failed to listen to the staff, help out the staff and get off their chairs and open their office doors and really see the trouble we are in! This is very bad Lyons! You remember the old days, as I do. But you left, to move on to bigger things, and some of us stayed behind. Unlike you, this is the career I choose to keep , and Im not going to sit here and let the political sweep under continue! I don't know what you've heard, but we are not all disgruntled, far from it! We lost alot of good, caring employees in the last few months, and each time someone gave their notice, it just broke my heart. Maybe some of them weren't perfect for this job, but they cared, about the animals and took pride in their work, til management, knocked tried to knock it out of them.

from Press Telegram · 1 year ago

I guess Long Beach you are not alone...this is from the PRESS TELEGRAM "Maybe someone should investigate SEAACA's violation of the Hayden Act. Did you know that if an animal owner signs a "blue euthanasia request" card. The animal will be put to death as soon as it is taken to the animal shelter. Straight from the animal control truck to the euthanasia room. It does not matter if it is an adoptable animal or not. SEAACA claims and skirts around the HAYDEN BILL by stating it is a " pay for service" they provide, to kill hundreds of animals this way and not have to comply with the law. Check it out for yourself..ASK Captain REYES, Maybe he'll put a quote in the papers regarding this or maybe not!!"

Hayden · 1 year ago

Well, this should be looked into. Many shelters get away with this, including Long Beach, because it is an interpretation of the law and has not been challenged. There may not be any case law on file, maybe this can somehow bring change. This was also a constant strain on management as it was interpreted differently, one went more for the "spirit" of the law and the other went for the "letter" of the law. I'll let you guess which one was which. And you claim that Wesley was a caring man but he always sided with the "letter" of the law and ALL wildlife was destroyed immediately also, except some sea birds that were taken to the vet. All raccoons and opossums had no chance and this was prior to the murine typhus. Neither one carry rabies. Sure there is a right way and a wrong way to release them but he was completely closed off to any ideas or change for the good. He still operated in the 1970's mentality which is what he taught anyone coming in with no experience, which was most of them. Occasionally the kinder officers would at least go and release baby ducklings back into the park with a hopeful foster mother, sometimes they had to sneak it though or management (letter) would have a fit.

It would be great if Capt. Reyes would comment, I think he is an open guy. He may be a little media hungry, but remember, they are not a public agency, they get their monies differently than LBAC. I think he knew and foresaw the kinds of issues LBAC was in for when he was with the SpcaLA, I would love to hear from him. LBAC has their our own media hungry person, and it is only for personal strokes from an occasional friend or something to build her insecurity issues.

Just a thought · 1 year ago

To post 230 as many believe SEAACA is not private agency, like the SPCALA but it is a public agency...supported by 12 cities they serve. It is run by a board of member cities. Downey, Norwalk, Pico Rivera, Paramount, Bellflower, Montebello, South El Monte and Santa Fe Springs are all member cities, the other cities contract SEAACA services for thier animal control. SEAACA is paid by city tax dollars and is bound to function within all laws. Although REYES tries to run the shelter through intimidation and fear, he's got to remember that he is not running a sweat shop. Reyes unlike Moore, knows how to talk his way out of trouble and knows how to manipulate the city board members when things don't go his way. He also has contacts with Press Telegram and KCAL9 that alway swing stories his way. But ask any current employees or ex-employees and they'll tell you what kind of dictatorship he runs over there. Let's see what kind of Bull comes out of Reyes' mouth this time

Just a guess · 1 year ago

You can wait for her to show up at whatisyourpoint2.

Amazing · 1 year ago

It's amazing how many animal saviors are racist.

george · 1 year ago

you go on talking about Wesley....Mr.Lyons your right on..

george · 1 year ago

Ok ..anon you must be a blond too

george · 1 year ago

No vendetta did Wesley have. Just a few staff member(s) with a little to much testosterone... Unfortunately Ron did not have any..
Michael/Ron both were informed (as you stated) of the problems....(as I stated) did not do a thing...(Except cover there butts). The only people that were gettng careless, sloppy and crossing the line were reprimanded, suspended, or fired by Wesley. Not to excude thoses that suddenly handed in there resignation, but you know all about that because you have the crystal ball and saw the future..
ps...that sam must be insightfull....

to george · 1 year ago

is that sexist or do you judge everyone on hair color

obsrvation · 1 year ago

owner of 5 pits should serve more than glorias short stay but less than alixiea

anon. · 1 year ago

George, Wesley was working for the taxpayers to do a job. Wesley did a very poor job and was fired, perhaps Wes has a future in telemarketing,but no future at LBAC. Quigley will be next to get her exit papers stnding in line next to Ron Areias, I heard the Press telegram is hiring telemarketers perhaps Quigley could be the A-hole mouthpiece for the P.T. ...

Bill Lyons · 1 year ago

Thanks George for including your name. A good display of character. Common courtesy isn't common here.

"When evil men plot, good men must plan. When evil men burn and bomb, good men must build and bind. When evil men shout ugly words of hatred, good men must commit themselves to the glories of love.''
— Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

anon. · 1 year ago

I don't see that the good Dr. King would appreciate having his name in common with Quigley or Wesley Moore, but your right on at least one account Quigley is evil and we must work hard and keep these blogs and posts on going if we shall get her fired.

anon · 1 year ago

Quigley has committed herself to the glories of love -- the animals.

To Two "Anons' · 1 year ago

anon. - 241 - You Rock!

anon - 242 - You Suck!

anon.1 · 1 year ago

Quigley has committed herself to the glorious rumblings of the rendering truck.Please anon -242 quit insulting our I.Q,s by telling us thar the Quiglidite loves animals. Only one thing matters to her and that is getting her pin-head in the press telegram.

ok bill · 1 year ago

when something's wrong, those with the ability to do something...also have the responsability to do something.

Wes didn't...we did!

tried to hold it back · 1 year ago

anon, how do you sleep at night? your venom is incredibley distasteful! you should consider seeking help. trust me, anyone with any critical thinking skills whatsoever can see you have lost all objectivity and your complaints lose credibility because of your obscene bias. stop whining and participate in the solution like an adult instead of acting like some Anonymous Jerry Springer show participant. your going in a big no win circle, chasing your tail and not accomplishing anything. Spend more time with your family, breathe, consider the world is bigger then your hurt feelings and your need to punish someone for your mistakes and thier shortcomings. my guess is, your self rightoues self view gets in the way of most of your relationships. try forgiveness and sharing once in a while its more attractive.

anon · 1 year ago

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

for 247 · 1 year ago

yawn

anon · 1 year ago

Calling all Noah's Ark Animal Rescue supporters, your help is needed.
http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?...

for 249 · 1 year ago

yawn ----- ask naar

for 250 · 1 year ago

Apbt should post her request on presstelegram, where the action is happening.

anon1 · 1 year ago

Correction needed for comment #247;

You are the losers here, soon you baboons will be standing with Wesley in the unemployment line.
Fight for what? You eat your young for breakfast, no-body likes you.
Losers,Losers, the animals lose when you kill all of them for fun, your only concerned with being photographed for the Press Telegram.
The world hates you, animal lovers all over the world know how diseased and sick and depraved you are towards defenseless animals.The fact that you killed 70 cats in a 2 hr time slot shows how much you care.

anon1 · 1 year ago

Would most appreciate if you drunk off your ass stoned marijuana impaired Baboons(disguised as rouge animal control officers) would get your own names and quit plagerizing my posts, your not impressing anyone with your lack of intellect. Quigley, Peilter and your little playtard Edwards have lost any sense of credibility with the public, it will just be a matter of time before your team Quigley are filling out forms at the unemployment office, No-one but a boiler room telemarketing co. would take a resume with Quigleys signature on it.

anon-one · 1 year ago

plagerizing ones name in a post to discredit some-ones comment only shows how far down you are in the evolutionary scale of things ,even a Troclodyte is on a higher level than you sir.Its no wonder the Quigleydytes have taken a bulldozer to the no-kill shelter and turned it into a killing field.of dead animals..

to anonymous · 1 year ago

plagerizing a anonymous user id,,,are you 10

Coming May 20th · 1 year ago

The title of the movie has the word forgiving in it. Something some could learn a little about. http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?...

Coming May 20th · 1 year ago

You'll want to make sure to check out page 21 of comments on the link above for scenes from the movie about forgiving.

Don't forget-don't plagerize another's anon user id, some may get upset.

Coming May 20th · 1 year ago

One of the actresses in the movie about forgiving is on the thread on neds -linked above- if you want to try to talk with her. Forgiveness is a good thing, maybe some of you would like to try it. Learn to take on more of a dog's characteristics than your own.

Jan Hjorth · 1 year ago

The 70 cats you killed in 2 hrs would like to have a paw in who needs forgiveness & and who needs to be fired.

to painter with a broad stroke · 1 year ago

animals unconditionally love

do · 1 year ago

what similarities or diferences about forgivness do you see between posts here and http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?...

forgivness is God's will

hmd · 1 year ago

happy mothers day,,,on chat board http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?...
happy mothers day to all animal lvrs

Greetings from our leader · 1 year ago

Thanks 264.

The President sends all mothers greetings for a Happy Mother's Day. I am sure there are many mothers posting here, so I thought you would like to see what the President had to say.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080511/D90J8Q...

suppose · 1 year ago

most everyone is posting at pt,,,suppose they have better coverage of the storie

Response to 261 · 1 year ago

No forgiveness, no truce.

No different than the people at http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?...

to apbt · 1 year ago

did shermies owner get enough donatoins

WoW · 1 year ago

It looks like we have an apology!!!!!!!!!!!

***Crossposting Requested*** · 1 year ago

***Crossposting Requested***

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08124/878786-85.stm

Mercer Co in Hermitage, PA is a small rural community, and the Humane Society is even smaller.

A lot of people have asked me what they can do to help capture Kahlua's killers. Kahlua is the small friendly blind Pony of the Americas, (POA) who was found dead after being dragged by an ATV. She was fatally injured.

I called Renee Dorogy, humane agent for the Humane Society of Mercer County and asked her if it would be okay for people to send her donations to increase the reward money. Currently a $500 reward is being offered because that's all they could afford.

She said YES!! She is very very grateful that we are going to do this.

They do NOT have a PayPal account so pls send a check.
Donations should say "Kahlua Reward" in the memo section
Even $5.00 or $10.00 will help!

Checks should be sent to:
Renee Dorogy, Humane Agent
Humane Society of Mercer County
P.O. Box 1046
Hermitage, PA 16148

We feel that if the reward money is increased someone who knows who did this to Kahlua will come forward to claim it by giving the authorities information to identify the killers!

If by some chance the killers are captured without the reward money being claimed, we agree that the Humane Society of Mercer County may use the monies received to help with the care and welfare of their animals.

Thank you.

To Jan H · 1 year ago

Are you Kelly G?

another resignation · 1 year ago

Another one bites the dust.

thats great · 1 year ago

clear out the people that dont want to work there and bring in new blood who likes current management.

To 272 · 1 year ago

what is your point 2

these comments are · 1 year ago

these comments are a labor of love

who?? · 1 year ago

So why isn't anyone talking about the recent resignation? Everyone has a lot to say about everyone else, what gives? Maybe it's not so important as to who it is as it is why.

another resignation · 1 year ago

lift up the carpet.

who?? · 1 year ago

what...carpet???

why not · 1 year ago

noone cares

DogNme · 1 year ago

comment 224-There isn't much to say on the most recent resignation except, GOOD BYE!

Jan,Hjorth · 1 year ago

Who was it who quit? have heard nothing about this.

Get Your Own Life · 1 year ago

How do you keep a moron in suspense?

And for some of our more illiterate posters: How do you keep a 'moran' in suspense?

anon.. · 1 year ago

number 280 was written by a LBAC officer who knows they are certain to lose their job any day now and by the way you have 0 credibility with the public.

running scared · 1 year ago

Bye Bye Sgt P Lonely Hearts Club Band

Why? · 1 year ago

Was he forced to leave or is he running?

who?? · 1 year ago

Hmmmmm. forced to run maybe??? what a quickie, not much notice huh?

Clueless Morons · 1 year ago

WOW are you morons out of the loop....This ACO gave his 2 weeks notice and left Tue of last week. So much for your inside sources. Maybe you know more about what Alex had for lunch yesterday. Yet another baloney sandwich...don't drop the soap...Keep that candle going. HEHE

who?? · 1 year ago

and please, blondie, don't you drop your soap.....ever.

really clueless? · 1 year ago

The Manager is gone, the training officer is gone, the staff is still overworked, the new vet has not been seen and the new vet tech will be a nightmare. The animals are still not getting what they need. Out of the loop? Clueless Morons? I don't think so. This ACO gave his notice and it was kept quiet for a very good reason. Hiding things is not the way to go at this point. Long Beach should be ashamed.

nnnnn Please · 1 year ago

No, his resignation had nothing to do with the euthanasia incident. WM's resignation had nothing to do with it either, right? What a crock ! It just so happened that they both resigned at the same time when it went down. Forced or not, guilt is the reason.

Marine Pls · 1 year ago

You got it right, the guilt was just the icing on the cake that they thought they would be "eating too". I think they are all just eating crow. I still think it was more than just this one incident, they had too many at this point, but it sure got 'em all going!!

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

Now people are realizing it isn't just disgruntled employees and ex-employees holding grudges. It is about the whole atmosphere at LBAC being horribly wrong. Those that stated fire the haters and hire new employees who like the current management are wrong. Every new person who gets hired ends up hating the management after a while, even if they liked it in the beginning. Changes are being made because we have brought the issues to the public and it is demanding change. One down, one to go.

No More · 1 year ago

Sorry CM, its 2 down, 2 to go!!! Girls are just a little thicker skinned but are crumbling as we speak.

j.hjorth · 1 year ago

hmmmmmmmmmmm.....It will be most interesting to see if the Quiggle opts anxiously for a photo shoot with the press telegram with she gets herself fired.

this is · 1 year ago

this article is such old news,,,long live gay married couples in california,,,one leader in the country,,,your state will be next,,,

old news · 1 year ago

This article may be old news. 1 month old news and almost 300 comments later. The truth is simple. Gay couples want to be legal and LBAC does not.
" I do, till death do us part" Keep killing Long Beach.

new news · 1 year ago

SPCA is just as guilty. The management and staff are fully aware of the neglect and abuse. They never took action. They may not of have neglected the animals, but they watched it day in and day out and did nothing. A worthless organization just like LBAC. They may not be using tax payers money, but they are using large donations given to them by people to help the animals. Poor little innocent spca can do no wrong. NOT !!!! Guilt by association you cowardly onlookers.

gay dogs · 1 year ago

Can gay dogs get married at the shelter before they are killed?

Bash-full · 1 year ago

Hey! Stop dog bashing!

Yeracreep, 297 · 1 year ago

To "gay dogs": The asshole contest is over. You won!

Milestone · 1 year ago

I have nothing to say I just wanted to be #300 on this ridiculously long thread on this issue. Long live gay dogs.

Long live · 1 year ago

anyone and anything that is gay

Out with the old. · 1 year ago

The only original managment left is Timmy and Monster Trucks. I hear Monster Trucks days are numbered though. So what's next?? So far no game plan has been presented to the employees by the new management. We'll see, I hope they don't bring back that moron Macy.

good as gone · 1 year ago

Both will leave if they are not forced out. Monster Truck will not put up with a 5 day work week. Romper Room will no longer run up and down the halls of the shelter. Tim Tim will leave because she is not in control anymore . No power, no joy. Bye Bye.

looks as if · 1 year ago

noone cares

THE DISTRICT · 1 year ago

Comment removed because of spamming.

me thinks · 1 year ago

ummm..... from the last comment (# 305) that the quiggle followers don't like this wonderful publication.... ummm... i wonder why!
------> bye bye Q <------

To 305 · 1 year ago

I understand your frustration. I wish that District would print a pack of lies. You want to read a piece of crap? Go to the PT. They will fluff the stories up for you. One fish to fish red fish blue fish. Don't worry, It is just a job, you can find another one. To 304 - obviously you care about something because you keep coming back to read the comments. It's just a job, you can find another one. 2 down and 2 to go. Others will follow. BYE BYE

Ha Ha · 1 year ago

One fish out, two fish gone, red fish waiting to go, blond fish - hit and run.

What about the other side? Get rid of the worthless whiney one. She should not be involved in picking who lives and who dies.

Question for DW · 1 year ago

I have a question for The District Weekly: WHO CUT YOUR BALLS OFF?

You folks did the best and most thorough job of reporting this story and now, dead silence. Why? You know you only scratched the surface, so why so quiet now? You know there is much more to this story...

to question · 1 year ago

Its Pride in LB and that will always be bigger...big money for LB so waive your rainbow flag and dance a little on your blogger foot

looks as if · 1 year ago

looks as if the district is posting no updates because this is not a story that anyone cares about,,,disgruntled ex and current employes,,,lots of places have the same unhappy people,,,pt has it right,,,but most of the commenter there have it wrong,,,long live gay pride rights,,,many na supportors like bashing gays,,,gays rule now,,,

Nothing to do with gays · 1 year ago

If no one cares about this, why are so many people posting comments long after the story was published? Most news stories get few or no comments at all, yet this story and related ones have generated hundreds of comments, and they keep coming. More likely, The District Weekly is silent for reasons other than lack of interest.

For 310 and 311, the incidents of cruelty at LBAC are unrelated in any way to gay issues, Officer Quigley's sexual preferences notwithstanding.

only · 1 year ago

only a handfew are posting,,,this story is dead,,,

only · 1 year ago

long beach gay pride parade starts in less than an hour,,,dont miss it,,,festival is until 11 tonight,,,isnt it great,,,let the weddings begin,,,

Nothing to do with gays · 1 year ago

If the story is dead, why do you keep posting here?

Have fun at the parade. Hope you marry the man or woman of your dreams.

j.hjorth · 1 year ago

This is not a gay rights issue, it would not matter if the abusers Quiggy ,Edwards and the rest of the grim reapers of LBAC were straight or gay. How about this one then, if you insist on shoving a Gay Pride parade into this post. We could make a Quiggy Float for the Gay pride parade , how about a theme for LBAC A float with Barrels of stuffed animals representing the huge numbers of animals killed off by Quiggles & crew?

one who knows, not the "Q" · 1 year ago

Ok j.hijorth, I have been wondering this the whole time and finally just have to ask, since you have so much extensive knowledge of LBAC, it's people and practices...who is "Edwards"!!!!!!!! Enough said, all you N/A and ex-vicious animal owners and the likes please go back to your toothpick palace, you really know not what you are speaking of. Funny, I have seen Tran use that last name too...is this you?

scarlet macaw · 1 year ago

who ever is posting up there keep it up, the manager of LBAC is getting worried.

Nothing to do with gays · 1 year ago

The fool who introduced the gay thing into this commentary is the same one who keeps writing about Nedthetoothpick, Noah's Ark and other unrelated matters. It's just a worthless gimmick to try to distract people from LBAC's issues, and it's not working. LBAC has committed numerous acts of animal cruelty and they need to be held accountable.

If you want to do something useful, why don't you help Officer Quigley write her resume?

my guess · 1 year ago

hjorth, are you gloria ramos,,,neds needs gloria to liven it up,,,wdoggie and apbt just arenot doing it,,,some naar supportors made gay the issu,,,neds bans people,,,so be careful when you come back;,,,you might have better luck at counterthetoothprick.yuku.com or toothpickoutcasts.yuku.com or oldjimbosspaceship.yuku.com or naar petition place,,,you do not get freedom of speech on naar justice site,,,they screen your coments before you post,,,may be hjorth is not gloria,,,but who knows,,,

one who knows, not the "Q" · 1 year ago

Ramos knows there is no Edwards, this is someone that had their dogs declared vicious by LBAC and "I" keep writing about NA, Neds and such because they are distracting from the issues at LBAC and need to stop. So NO, it is not a gimmic, just stay on point people. And get all the fanatics out of here! And please quit promoting all your web sites and threads or whatever they are, we are not interested in this at all and it's kind of silly anyway. Stay in your space and we will stay in ours, k.

no-one · 1 year ago

There is an Edwards he is Quiggles boot-licker and jerk-in-the-box, both suffer from short man syndrome and are sadistic and cruel towards animals,further more both should be fired.

Doesn't Belong to You, 321 · 1 year ago

Like it or not, "one who knows", this is not your private domain. Neither is LBAC. It is a public agency and accountable to the public. You seem to enjoy keeping secrets; so be it. Maybe it's a habit you picked up from Quigley. In any case, if you don't like the posts here, then don't read them.

Cary Macey · 1 year ago

I remember the public pointing thier fingers and laughing at me calling me "dog killer" and gang members making dog barking noises when I drove by. This is all managements fault. They caused me to loose focus and crash into parking lot poles. They caused me to complain on a daily basis about all the work I had to do. I will talk to John about these issues and maybe he can suggest new colors for the porta-potties I have to paint, Forest Green or S##t Licker Green.

one · 1 year ago

one that seems to like to keep secrets is wd,,,cant or wont spring into action until next news report surfaces,,,remainds me of lbac justice commitee,,,always behind the eight ball,,,but forever rambling about the truth comming out,,,everyone enjoying the lb gay pride festival,,,

to · 1 year ago

to all x and now disgruntled lbac employes, ned is still looking for an animal shelter host,,,you can apply at nedthetoothpick,,,some of the finest people like wd and apbt are there,,,

one who knows, not the "Q" · 1 year ago

ACO's have been called "dog Killers" since the begining of time, it's part of the job. and "everyone" barks when one drives by, even in Belmont Shore, so how is that management's fault. I don't think #324 is Carey Macey at all, it's one of the ACO's or management team that he is pointing at. Just mocking what you are afraid of...as usual.

I Agree with 327 · 1 year ago

I think you are right. I'd like to add that using Carey Macey's name is a pretty lowlife thing to do. Really, really lowlife. Who at LBAC is scum enough to do this?

I Agree with 327 · 1 year ago

Read the post on "LA is for Partiers..." Also posted by someone impersonating Carey Macey. Definitely a scumbag impostor. He hit rock-bottom with this one.

To Carey · 1 year ago

Carey,

If you didn't post this http://thedistrictweekly.com/print/features/la-... (post 4), I thought you would like to know about it so you can take the appropriate action needed. Check with an attorney to see if you can go after the $$$$$$. It's been on the front page of this venue for hours if not longer.

To all · 1 year ago

This is extactly the type of thing that has been going on at the shelter. Instead of taking care of the animals, certain individuals pull crap like this. They like to belittle and humilate people because it makes them feel better. Low life scumballs. You all better watch out because this type of thing will not be tolerated anymore. You can go packing with the other 2 losers. SP was the king of making people feel low so he can get his jollies . Glad his as* is finally gone.

To all · 1 year ago

Who the hell is Edwards? Slime from the SPCA?

Just a Matter of Time · 1 year ago

Yeah, Michelle should call an attorney to keep her butt out of jail. Good luck!

to #333 · 1 year ago

Does she want to get laughed at some more. If she is smart she will run like the others.

dull byke · 1 year ago

Now, you all know that SP quit right now so that he could go to Gay Pride. He always goes. Just one las hurrah before he starts his stint in the desert. I think that guy has "thugar in hith thorts for thure", he'll be at the "Bear" tent!

????? · 1 year ago

Mr. Moore's name never made it on the Civil Service agenda. SP is already listed on this weeks agenda. Everyone else made it. Where's did he go? Is he still getting paid and might possible come back? Hmmmmmm. According to the Civil Service Commision website, there is no evidence of him resigning or retiring. He was not reassigned, reclassified, dissmissed or transfered. What the Hel* !!! I really don't get it. Proof is here.

http://www.longbeach.gov/civilservice/commissio...

free ride · 1 year ago

Well, I guess he can sit at home on the tax payers expense. Way to go Long Beach.

To Carey · 1 year ago

To Carey

You are entitled to see the post that was deleted from the other forum here if you have not already seen it. I have a screen shot if you need it. I am appalled at how long it was allowed to stand on this venue.

Ned · 1 year ago

Better posts at http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/index.php

Ned · 1 year ago

http://nedthetoothpick.com/phpBB/index.php

bell of the ball · 1 year ago

Good point #336, what crack did he fall into. I heard he was doing construction on an ex-employee's house. Lets ask Ron Arias, Pat West or Susanne Mason of HR what's up. Someone better have some answers within the next few days or another story line will go out.....mark my words. Where are you Wesley "Ninja" Moore??? and who is making your car payment? Lest steal some more money from the animals and people. More lies, more $$$$$ for us!!

Carey Macy · 1 year ago

As mentioned earlier these people who impersonate or slander me are just insecure in themselves and are not worth my time. I have reported the comments that is all that needs to be done. They cannot even spell my name right when it is written in the article and on my comments.

He's back !! · 1 year ago

Boy it was sure nice to see WM back at the shelter today. We have been working extra hard because of him. They are not thinking of bringing him back after all this are they? I want some more overtime. You were right #336, looks like he did not "resign" after all. Poor animals!!!!!

??? · 1 year ago

Is this some kind of sick joke to direct the public from the current scandal at LBAC?If it is the truth per say, than did Quigley have to re-imburse Wesley Moore for the cigars she took from his desk?

on the ball · 1 year ago

Watch #343, they will try and put him in the empty LT (senior) position. Dishonest manager = dishonest LT or employee in general. If the city pulls a trick like that, who will answer for it? where are you now Pat West, Ron Arias, Mr. Investigator, news publications and management restructurer?????????? Remember, he is good friends with the current "temp" manager, they are as thick as thieves. Do us all a favor, City of Long Beach...don't even try it, you will be responsible for everything he has done and will do in the future $$$$$
What kind of morons would put him into a protected position at this point. None of the employees would even work with him, they will never trust the team of WM & MQ ever again, or the persons whom put them back together.

??? · 1 year ago

where did you get the info about Wes getting his desk and cigars back?

Hey!! · 1 year ago

Hey #343, what happened to that policy that was written by WM not allowing past employees on the property??? Wasn't the shelter closed to the public today?? Did you call the police??? Lets do lunch soon........on a Monday!!! (always a double standard, that WM)

He's back !! · 1 year ago

This proves that he is still an employee. The Cty of Long Beach and the Press Telegram are full of shi* . If WM broke his own policy, then call the police. Resigned my as* . Maybe they are not announcing his resignation until he is eligible for full retirement, then you will see his name on the Civil Service agenda. "Retired" Take NC for instance. Her reassignment was not posted untill waaayyyy after a position change. You can't do the job, DON"T get paid for it. By the way, being a shelter health tech is not a light duty job. Long Beach has always made up rules because they can. WHY!!!!! Hello.....

Yupp · 1 year ago

It's a light duty job if you don't do it right!!! And Long Beach wasn't making up the rules, WM and MQ were. Now they are breaking them.

george · 1 year ago

the last 10 posted lies by people that need to get a life.
Oh except for the comment that the PT writes lies....

to george · 1 year ago

george, sam whoever, soon you will come to realize that there are laws to protect the animals. The pt writes lies because the city manager tells lies. He is oblivious and should check the laws before he opens his mouth. You should do the same. This is not 1980.

To Rebecca · 1 year ago

I'm glad you are finally back with us. You are valued as an employee and a co-worker. The animals are in good hands with you. Keep your head high and do what you do best, put the animals first. I know you will. You go girl!!!

george · 1 year ago

Finally a truthful comment number 352

??? · 1 year ago

I dont believe WM is back, perhaps this is a troll who is working LBAC writing these posts.

nope · 1 year ago

not working there and not NA, just someone who knows. He may not be back officially, but he is lingering,waiting for something.

lol · 1 year ago

George, george, george. Let's talk about getting a life. A) this is our life, that is how important it is to some of us that this is resolved correctly. B) How's your life? Maybe you can take some time and hang some pictures on your walls, how long have you lived there? and C) Interesting that you should pick a name of the opposite sex, since you have never had sex. So is the verdict out...you "do" want to be with women, you sure stare at their chests enough!!

george · 1 year ago

I guess you can't post anything truthful about me so you just attack....very intelligent of you...

pop · 1 year ago

I hope your not at work right now!

Concern for Animals · 1 year ago

Does anyone know if there is now a veterinarian on staff?

Replies requested from knowledgeable people only please.

Trolls, find another forum. This is just a simple question based on concern for the animals.

why not · 1 year ago

why not just call

checkin'in · 1 year ago

to see if anything earth shattering has happened but it doesnt appear so

george · 1 year ago

Dr. Halligan is the Vet that LBAC can call on for assistance. The animals that are in need of medical care are transported to the contracted animal hospitals. Officers in the field take injuried animals directly to the vet. Officers and health techs are very capable of treating/ medicating most problems. Kinda like the nurses at hospitals....they know whats going on..

??? · 1 year ago

If animal control officers are capable of medicating the animals does that mean that Lt.Quiggles can changer her stripes to Dr Quigley?I don't think she showed any skills in trying to save 70 cats who died under her care..

Concern for Animals · 1 year ago

Thank you George. I was only trying to find out if there was a vet on site and you answered my question. I read in one of the the articles that Dr. Eslinger was going to work at LBAC but there were no follow up articles to let people know if she actually started to work at LBAC. It looks like there is a different vet there now. Thanks for letting me know.

??? · 1 year ago

to concern for animals;George cried in his Beer for Wesley Moores absence, Thinks Quigley is the greatest thing since Near Beer, Its not wise to believe what comes out of a Quigladite's mouth is factual information.

Concern for Animals · 1 year ago

Sorry, it was just a question. Didn't mean to add to the controversies.

george · 1 year ago

Seems no matter what you say..it would be the right answer for some. Go to the shelter and see for yourself. Dr. Hallagan has always help answer and direct LBAC concern the health of the animals. Dr. E has been one of our vets for years. For years the Vets visited the shelter on there free time (lunch) to assist giving rabie shots and overseeing medication. This is something that was not advertised because the vets were not looking for a "pat on the back." But again there is no pleasing everyone. It is unfortunate that Animal Control has always worked in the red and is not money generating department....but a necessity. Comment 365 thinks it is clever to make up names for people and make readers doubt the truth in other...But the name for that person is correct "???"...

no way · 1 year ago

No Veterinarian has been to the shelter on their lunch for years! That was stopped a long time ago. Dr. E has only shown her face maybe twice since moving to the new shelter and Dr. H is only there maybe 1 day a week, in case you didn't notice, she is quite busy with her TV appearances. Sure, she can be used for advice by LBAC, but no one is really there to take responsability. SPCA-LA staff just calls her when they need something. Most LB officers cut corners when they medicate as they would rather be doing something else, and I have seen it over and over agian. We always complained about the staff on LB side, they just don't care or they do not have enough knowledge about animal health, even LT. Q. They put ear drops in eyes, eye drops in ears, inject intranasal vaccines sub-q and god knows what else. They are always calling for help because they don 't know anything. When is the tech coming back??? Please help the animals.

truth is told by 368 · 1 year ago

LBAC may have a piece of paper stating they have a vet, but the fact is they do not. George you can say whatever you want, but the truth is that the fate and health of the shelter animals are still in the hands of upper management. Dr. E helped out at the old facility, that was years ago. Better yet, talk to Christine and find out how many times a vet "visited" the shelter in the past couple of years. She is the one that would know. Hello Christine!!! How many vets came around?

george · 1 year ago

Dr. Hallagan is at the shelter more that once a week. She does surgeries weekly...LBAC has contract(s) to transport animals to the vet if there is a question regarding there treatment...The vets that came to the shelter on there lunch time stopped about two years ago. It is better to ask for help than act like they know everything. Lots of money is spent on medical treatment....more that what comes in.. As for Christine ..she is to new to know the history at LBAC. being there less that two years. ..Both sides of .health tech's are very capable of caring for the animals and can talk to eachother for advice.
If your working for the spcaLA how about doing your job and stop talking trash. This does no good for either side.

Cary Macey · 1 year ago

It's managements fault. I tell you!!

checkin'in · 1 year ago

see nothing has changed

blah blah blah · 1 year ago

Cummon, "G" you keep contradicting yourself, trying to cover up. You said "For years the Vets visited the shelter on there free time (lunch) to assist giving rabie shots and overseeing medication." and tried to make it sound like they are there now, then changed your story when called out to "The vets that came to the shelter on there lunch time stopped about two years ago." Then you said "Go to the shelter and see for yourself. Dr.Hallagan has always help answer and direct LBAC concern the health of the animals." and changed it to "Dr. Hallagan is at the shelter more that once a week. She does surgeries weekly…" but failed to mention that she is there ONCE weekly on average doing surgeries for Spca, not working for LBAC. So if someone does go to the shelter, they would not see her. And what of Dr. E, the invisible one??? Thats what I thought......SpcaLA does their jobs and have highly trained and certified Tech's, quit hiding behind it. Ending on that note......another quote of yours "..make readers doubt the truth in other". Now everyone can see why your "truth" has been doubted all along....no credibility.

checkin'in · 1 year ago

blah blah blah what are findings of investigation

blah blah blah · 1 year ago

Well, if you knew anything about "anythig", it's still ongoing and takes some time, I think interviews are being transcribed for review.

blah blah blah · 1 year ago

it's still ongoing and takes some time, I think interviews are being transcribed for review.

TO blah blah blah · 1 year ago

I see the Almighty know-it-all of everything has spoken.

blah · 1 year ago

Who is Blah? Do you work there??

vol · 1 year ago

Volunteer. Not run by the almighty LB dollar. Come on down, we always need good people to keep eyes and ears open.

to vol · 1 year ago

You keep your eyes and ears open but your mouth shut . A city employee busted this whole thing open. Volunteers and the SPCA should of took action a long time ago. There is no reason to watch if you are not going to do anything about it.

//////// · 1 year ago

There is nothing to show for the massive donations, check writing and even Grannys willing out their entire estates in getting a brand new state of the art NO-KILL SHELTER! Flash forward,ever seen the online posting for the LB shelter? they don't talk about animals needing new homes, instead they explain the wonders of state of the art stainless steel kennels. and a pet motel parked right next to where dogs and cats plea for their last breath. Can you ever imagine what your pet would be thinking if you left him there while you set off on that European holiday?.There needs to be an audit of where that $6,000,000 or so went, perhaps Ron Arias hired a Red Skelton $$$ to do Ron's clown portrait that hangs in the entry way..Nothing has been put forward to encourage pet adoptions..
As for the F.O.L.B.A.S volunteers and a certain Mr. Long Beach giving dogs dog biscuits at X-Mas time just before Quigley sticks them with the final good nite kiss of death really does'nt count for much or fool the public. Give your money to the Lange foundation or a rescue that doesn't support killing adoptable pets.F.o.l.b.a has stood by watching the atrocities and said nothing about the horrors of Quiggy and gone even further by giving the Quiglidyte a parade and awards banquet for all the wonders she has done for the LB shelter.

to vol and //// · 1 year ago

#380, you are sooooo right. Everybody knows this and no-one will open their mouth. SPCA is thought of as god and I don't know why. As for the funding, someone does need to look into it. Long Beach is corrupt and so is the SPCA. I have witnessed SPCA sell large item donations like vehicles to friends. Not sure if that money is pocketed or what.

vol · 1 year ago

That money goes back into fleet funds. They usually end up selling them for cheap to the employees anyway when they need to be replaced, like any other agency would.

vol · 1 year ago

and #379, how's your bunion?

to vol · 1 year ago

I'm not sure who you think I am with the "bunion" question.

george · 1 year ago

there is no such place...as a no kill shelter....animals are euthanized for health/humane reason(s) at every shelter,....they may drive them to a vet and therefore can claim they do not euthanized on the property....
So put forth your energy in speading the word to adopt, spay, and neuter your pets.
FOLBAC....appreciate all the staff at LBAC for the effort they put in every day to care for the animals.

....... · 1 year ago

Excuses,excuses and more excuses for a poorly run shelter to keep on killing. No George, we donated millions for a no kill shelter, the public wants no kill....you were, or are workin for us Jack, no kill means no kill, not to kill any time it strikes the urge for you or the Quigleydyte to take a life.

No Kill? That's funny · 1 year ago

A no kill shelter would be great but "no kill" has a broad definition. It pretty much means that you can only kill certain animals and then the shelter is labeled as no kill shelter. You can only kill animals that are "suffering" as deemed by a veterinarian or you can kill any animal that a behavioral issue (whatever the shelter decides these issues are) Very broad, especially since this shelter is lacking properly trained professionals that should be making these decisions.This shelter will never be no-kill as long as animal control is in charge of making medical decisions for the animals and SPCA still uses their few untrained supervisors who are embarrassingly in charge of picking the animals to go over to their side. A bigger issue than all the dogs,cats and rabbits dying is the huge amount of wildlife that is killed because Animal Control denys them a chance to go to rescue. Someone at the shelter please hire HSUS. They will whip this shelter into shape. This shelter has great potiential but cannot make their own rules.

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

Almost 400 caring persons have kept this topic alive. Very few are in support of Quigley and her small band of Quigleydytes (F.O.L.B.A,s)Lets not forget every day Quigley is in charge adoptable animals are being killed instead of being adopted out.

The real problem · 1 year ago

Not a big Q fan but there are several issues that are way beyond her. Let's wait and see what happens after everything is said and done. Will Long Beach get a slap on the wrist and go ahead with the illegal murder of tons of animals? I have a feeling that once this storm is over, old ways are going to re-surface again. The recommendations from the private investigator will probably be ignored, they have a Vet, so obviously the state does not care if they were without proper medical care for the shelter animals. The SPCA will continue to observe their roomates violating the Hayden Bill. The truth is that Long Beach will remain untouched by authorities as long as the SPCA shelters them. I heard rumors that several people contacted OSHA. The City will pay the fines as usual and go on there merry little way. This is life kids. Maybe the SPCA will wise up and do the animals a favor and break ties with the city. That would be the only solution at this point. It's easier to do nothing and keep killing.

Sympathy for the Devil · 1 year ago

The city of Long Beach has done a masterful job of silencing the press on all of the issues surrounding Long Beach Animal Control. If one adds up all of the comments about LBAC in the various LB newspapers, the number is close to 1000. Weeks after the last article was published, people are still writing comments. Rarely do news stories generate this level of public involvement. Yet none of the local papers have printed a word for several weeks now...

I had high hopes for The District Weekly, but they are back to writing about beer and burgers. Makes you wonder what the press gets in the way of prizes for remaining silent on this story (or penalties if they write about it)

george · 1 year ago

MQ is not in charge of which animals are adopted....nor does she make the final decision on what animals are euthanized. spcaLA chooses the animals that are adoptable. Unfortunately, no shelter can keep up with the amount of animals that are dumped off at shelters because the owners no longer want them. In a perfect world ever living creature would have a home but we do not live in a perfect world. If we did babies/or animals would not be dumped in trash cans...
400 people have not kept this topic alive....most just complain and just write "statements" to shock people and most are not true. Hayden bill is not being broken..OSHA...cll them...they are the safety net for staff....thats a good thing. Hoepfully the staffing and AC for increase and training is happen at a slower pace and positive changes will come about....

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

Well,Well, Well, O'l George trying to hold up the status Quo , Paint O'l Quiggles in a nicely colored light. I have seen Quiggles Giggle as she orders executions of adoptable animals. Don't paint this devil in a charming way, evilness doesn't always wear horns and a pitch fork, but this one wears a khaki uniform.
I bet the 70 cats killed did'nt violate the hayden act either,most folks here have more to do than sit for hrs whining ands complaining,they want change and are not willing to wait yrs, and yrs to get it.

to george · 1 year ago

It's over for you and your one man band. Read the new article and weep. As for the 400 people who kept this topic alive, thank you. Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. The interest and support in this battle has been astonishing. Animal activists are taking over now, so run and hide. These people do not play. If things were handled properly back in March, we wouldn't be here today.

george · 1 year ago

What are the things that did not get handled properly in March? I'm confused and wish you would straighten us out.

george · 1 year ago

@@@@.....where is your common sense. 70 cats that were euthanized were extremely sick, very contagious, and lets remember.....neglected by there owners, So all the healthy cats would have been exposed to their deseases and suffer needlessly. Again, Hayden's law was followed to the teeeeeee. A vet was consulted but you just want to print more lies... Hopefully, the read can see through your @@@ opinions and believe the facts.

george · 1 year ago

Long Live Gay Dogs....again the article was filled with mis"Truths" . LBAC in no why euthanizes more dogs that LA...
What we don't need is another group of people flaping at the mouth. Just go take the volunteer classes and get off your butt and physical help. The staff at LBAC is doing a great job, changes have been made, and new employees are being trained. These changes do take time. More money will be alocated to LBAC.. Talk to spcaLA, President Madeline Bernstein...The spcaLA does allllll the choosing of what animals go up for adoption and what is not suitable for adoption. Staff at LBAC calls responsible rescue organizations (not horders) to help get animals who were not chosen for adoption....a chance. There is only so much room...so many responsible rescue organizations, and people. You are just throwing dirt. A new director of the shelter will be chosen..in do time.
Ask Pat West if he has sent Ron Arias to a management class? Ron just used Wesley Moore as the scape goat... Wesley had already taken steps to dismiss certain employees...Every step takes time. Anyone that knew Wesley, (employed for 29 years) knows that he would never hurt an animal or put up with thoses that did. Wes was asking for Ron to help him...but Ron was not interested. Come on people..Wesley always was there to answer questions, work with animal parades, sent officers to schools to educate students, go on his own time to neighborhood meetings,etc.. Again those that knew Wesley should be outraged how he was treated....a phone call and told to quit or be fired....29 years and gets a phone call....not help..

Thomas · 1 year ago

LBAC in no way euthanizes more dogs than LA...I agree

George go home! · 1 year ago

George....70 cats?? what do you know. what the h**l is isolation for...you don't kill cats because they sneeze!!! ISOLATE and TREAT....the law says no "treatable" animals will be put to sleep.

And here is a genius at it's best.....and I quote '

'Wesley always was there to answer questions, work with animal parades,"

1) what questions did Wesley answer, he usually just stared back with nothing, of course, unless you asked him to look up a type of bird on the internet for 3 hours...or if he had extra cheese on his Del Taco that day, sure he answered that but nothing else....

2) what are you talking about he worked with animal parades...explain that one...is that his job function.

3) he lied to his staff and Ron Arias, now he is gone.....Spca-LA would no longer work with him, they were done.

initial source · 1 year ago

You obviously are close to WM because you keep mentioning how he was treated. Too bad! He was weak and he let them treat him like that. What comes around goes around. The staff went to him for help and he was not interested and everyone knew that he would not take care of things. That is why everyone went to MQ. She pretty much did all of his dirty work while he was off at parades, meetings and surfing the web. He would actually pass things down to her if she didn't already take care of it.

The only miss-truths in this article are your postings.

Long Beach may call the few rescue groups they deal with but the fact is the rescues do not come in to the shelter or take animals from the shelter. I find that very odd. I am sure rescuers are being called more than ever the last 2 months. Too late.

Long Beach has no right to decide if a rescue group is "responsible" at this point. "Do as I say, not as I do"

How can you say that a "Vet" was consulted when the 70 cats were killed? The shelter did not have a Vet at that time. Please tell us who diagnosed these 70 cats with this contagious diesase? The RVT? Last time I check an RVT was not a Vet. Someone should look at the medical records.

Sincerely,
initial source

initial source · 1 year ago

#399 was directed to "george"

Stop Lying, George · 1 year ago

Re: george's post 395

George, you have lost all credibility. I saw the film of the cats. They didn't look sick to me. The ones who were sick were not seen by a vet. Please stop lying. The cats were killed the very day they were brought to LBAC No one disputes that. No vet could possibly diagnose 70 cats in a matter of one or two hours. Lab test results can take several days. If anyone at LBAC suspected the cats had contagious diseases, they should have been taken to a vet, not killed on the spot.

Hayden law requires that allegedly feral cats be held for a minimum of 3 days to find out if they are truly feral or if they are frightened domestic cats. Once again, LBAC violated the Hayden Act.

The public perception of LBAC as a slaughterhouse is not going to change as long as people like george continue to spew out lies.

Why is there no isolation area for animals with contagious diseases? Let me answer that for you. An isolation area isn't needed because sick animals are killed right away.

Just stop with the cover-ups!

initial source · 1 year ago

To #401

Thank you for your words. You mentioned "isolation". You can ask the SPCA why Long Beach no longer has adequate cat isolation. The long beach cat population was prematurely kicked out of the main building that housed the cats and moved into a building that was not finished. The SPCA stated that they needed the inside rooms and the cats would have to go. Ask them how long the main cat room remain locked and empty before they made use of it. Months and months went by before they turned it into a "meet and greet" room. I am guessing around 6 months or longer. Meanwhile, the cats are being house in a building that has no protection from the elements. Cats were subjected to extreme temperatures in the summer and were seen panting from the heat and later were forced to spend the night shivering in metal cages. SPCA ran out of funding and decided to finish and put the rest of the money into the Grooming and Boarding area instead of using the funds to make a humane Cat Cottage. The building also was a nightmare for the employees. No counters, cabinets, storage or work areas were put into the building. The public is not allowed into the building (per the SPCA), so the cats have to be arranged to be viewed from the outside. This leaves less room for cages and more shelter deaths. Here comes the isolation part. The isolation room could only house 4-6 cats because it was so small. Several complaints were made to Long Beach and SPCA and no-one seemed to care about the situation. At one point the SPCA Vet was so upset about the temperature in the building, that she complained that it was inhumane. That was almost a year ago. Recently, large fans were installed in the rooms. Not only is george a complete idiot, but the SPCA is right along with him/her.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Hmmmm....it seems to me like the tail is wagging the dog....how did SPCA/LA come to dictate how the Long Beach shelter operates? Shouldn't it be the other way around? From several posts, it seems like SPCA calls the shots and LBAC falls in line. Has anyone questioned how this happened? Maybe the marriage between the 2 organizations wasn't such a good idea after all. Time for a divorce?

Initial source, you seem to be the one in the know. Any thoughts?

It is horrible to read about the treatment of the cats. They can die from heat stroke and panting is the first sign.

inital source · 1 year ago

Sorry Wag, I have know idea why this how this "relationship" happened. I was hoping that others can enlighten me. The marriage "appears" to be wonderful, but like most marriages, it has failed because of poor communication, lack of understanding and listening skills. Most of the behavior between each other is down right selfish. I have not been around long enough to know the history, but there is one thing I do know, the SPCA should be in the included in the blame of the very many neglective conditions and killings of the Long Beach Shelter animals. I am currently searching for the contract between the 2 entities and I would love it if someone could find it for me. Better yet, cut and paste that sucker right on this blogsite. The truth is right in that contract. The public has the right to know the real issue.

to inital source · 1 year ago

Here is some information. It looks like SPCA LA blames Long Beach for the killings but they are in charge of the adoptions. Im confused?

LBReport.com

Editorial
Auditing Animal Control, Omitting Animals
(July 6, 2004) -- LB is home to the state of the art P.D. Pitchford Companion Animal Village. One building houses SPCA-LA, which selects some dogs, cats and other animals for adoption in good homes. The rest, given up by their owners for good reason or for no good reason or found stray, are killed by the City of Long Beach in a nearby building.
(Exception: LB Animal Control now lets certain authorized 501 (c)(3) animal rescue organizations adopt animals, a praiseworthy reform; kudos to new management.)
SPCA-LA never promised fewer killings and it doesn't do the killings. SPCA-LA promised an operation that finds good homes for adoptable pets, sparing LB Animal Control the task of handling pet adoptions. As best we can tell, SPCA-LA has delivered what it promised.
It's LB Animal Control that does the killings...and taxpayers ought to know for what they're paying.
Ultimately, the solution is to ensure animals don't wind up in the misnamed government "shelter" system. Once in a "shelter," a truly Orwellian term in the animal context, most dogs and cats don't get out alive. We'll await LB management's figures, but we expect about 80% of the cats and dogs on City Hall's web site will end up being killed.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Great post, 405. Thank you!

I'm willing to bet someone could get a copy of the actual contract under the Freedom of Information Act. This would be a task for someone who does not mind revealing their identity. District Weekly, are you up to the job? Or how about the newly formed animal group in LB?

Thomas · 1 year ago

A few of these writers need to me in isolation....another with Ron Arias who did not help when employees asked him to. and about thoses 70 cats....give it up.. no laws were broken... And George your not all wrong..

Thomas · 1 year ago

opps. be in isolation

to my supervisors · 1 year ago

Isolation is too small for all of us. There is only room for 6 writers. I can't wait until you turn out the closet light and forget to feed and clean us. I think 70 of us would fit inside the isolation room into one of the 6 cages.

Ellen · 1 year ago

how about some focus on the hoarders that put those 70 cats in that situation. They need to be in insolation.....jail.

initial source · 1 year ago

Good point Ellen, the cats didn't deserve to be put into the conditions they were subjected to. They didn't deserve to die because of it either.

Ellen · 1 year ago

Initial source.....it is OK to agree to disagree....the cats did not deserve to die but healthy cats do not deserve that kinda exposure to the diseases they had. Why not talk with the spcaLA in building a separate hospital just for cases like this. I believe that was one item on the wish list when these two agencies came together. I still believe that they can work together. To many hands in the pot only slows up progress. They are talking and changes are occurring but like everything else...it takes time, focus and conviction. And I believe they are doing just that. The end of my sermon.

initial source · 1 year ago

Thanks for listening and giving some information that is positive. I believe that the partnership is moving into the right direction. The separate isolation/hospital area is important and people like yourself can help make them aware of it. Long Beach has not has a voice in the building and I hope that will change. Every attempt has been made and has been shut down and ignored. I think things will be different now that there is someone else to voice concerns for the animals. I don't think that was a "sermon" at all. You share some valuable information and that is greatly appreciated.

Ellen were you there? · 1 year ago

Quigley ordered those 70 cats to be killed, she did not want to deal with housing (isolating, treating) a large amount of sick cats again after Noah's Ark. She knew the owners had no voice and would not make waves so she made an egotistical decision (they all are). Who made her God again??? Oh, yeah, Wesley Moore did! Why didn't she get the same phone call he did? Then the employees could have heard both of them sobbing in their office while packing it up! The word is that Roger H. is trying to find a way to get Wesley Moore back in at Animal Control. If that ever happens there will be such an out cry. And, Ellen, If those cats were so bad that you feel the owners need jail time, explain why Quigley is planning giving them back. She didn't kill their favorite cats and has been holding them on the taxpayers dime for months with the intent of returning them when the owners find a place to live. This was to keep them quiet about the other 70 cats. And then she will spin some HERO story about herself to boot. Are you people starting to see how she works it all out in her favor. A very sick mastermind indeed!

david · 1 year ago

Sometimes it is just the humane thing to do.. MQ is dammed if she does and dammed if she doesn't...Sounds like there is no pleasing you 414 . I was around animal control and knew Wesley for years. He was a good ACO and would be welcomed back to the shelter as an Officer in the field. He has experience and would be an asset . The field staff needs help and he is not the type to hurt an animals.
The spcaLA and LB are talking about building a hospital...again it all takes time and lots of money. As for taxpayers (which all the staff pays taxes too) many medical bills are payed for by anonymous donors...Unless your in the animal field most people would not know about the donations that LBAC has received and are strictly allocated for medical treatment. Thank goodness for generous folks... So Ellen, keep the positive words coming. I'm not a regular reader of the newspaper but I see some people have there heads on straight.

initial source · 1 year ago

No extra funds needed for a hosptial, they can use the beautiful boarding and grooming facility that is usually empty. It would be perfect.

David?? · 1 year ago

Well Dave, thank goodness it's not up to you. How could you say that he would be welcomed back, you can't possibly know that. AC does not want him back, he should just move on. Yes, he WAS a good ACO. He has done to much damage, employees can't forget. Just let us pick up the pieces and do our thing. No one said he would hurt animals directly. There are many talented, skilled people working that management would not use to their potential. Now it's time to change that. We don't need just another ACO, we need a team member, sorry Dave, no one will play with Wesley. If they try and bring him back, more things would come out, the city will be held responsible and they would have to let him go again. Why waste everyone's time.

initial source · 1 year ago

He has not officially resigned yet so maybe they are going to bring him back. Help is always needed in the kennels and in the euthanasia room.

Steven · 1 year ago

Well thank goodness it is not up to you 417.. Personally, Wesley should move on. Who would want to work for Ron Arias...When management announced that Wesley resigned (forced by the way) many staff members were sickened, walked out, cried and have not forgot. Just because they are silent does not mean that they would not work with him. Perhaps Wesley was not "management" material but he sure is ACO material. Sound like you would be threatned by his return? At least staff would know they are working with an team member, honest, reliable employee....and that's a hard combination to find. But Wesley should move on...and he will. And by the way 418 (nameless) talented skilled ACO's are hard to find. That is one of the reasons LBAC is having a hard time filling positions. That has always been a problem. Civil Service needs to go...Use that departments money for the hospital
And as for your threatening statements regarding "more will come out" let it go and stop wasting our time.

Gramio · 1 year ago

Wesley has offically resigned...

initial source · 1 year ago

To "Steven"

Talented ACO's are hard to keep, not hard to find. They are everywhere throughout shelter systems around the world, LB just can't keep them. Civil Service has nothing to do with keeping a talented ACO. If we are " wasting your time" then quit reading this blog. This nameless person will waste all kinds of your time. Let it go and move on. He is gone, quit crying.

initial source · 1 year ago

If there is anyone interested in filing a complaint for a potential Grand jury investigation, you should get it in soon. The deadline is coming up in a few weeks for 2007-2008. This shelter has managed to remain out of the reports for some odd reason. They had a small entry in the 2000-2001 report, before the "partnership". This would be another way to make sure this shelter is doing what it is suppose to do. Not to mention that they could bring criminal charges up on certain people involved, including the SPCA. Public/ private partnerships are investigated by the Grand Jury.

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/jury/complaint.htm


2000-2001
LOS ANGELES COUNTY
GRAND JURY

Long Beach Animal Shelter:
The facility was built in 1952 and their operating funds come from the City of Long
Beach. They have contracts with various Veterinarians. On average they have 250
animals a day but in the spring months they usually have more. On the day of the
committee’s visit they had an animal population of 208. They euthanize 20 dogs a day.
The Inter-Peritoneal lethal injection takes approximately 15 minutes to put an animal
down.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Hello, initial source. Great idea about the grand jury, but I think a grand jury can only be convened (or whatever the proper term is) at the request of a prosecuting attorney. Also the disadvantage is the proceedings are secret, so this wouldn't help too much as far as public disclosure is concerned. I wonder if the newly formed coalition is planning any legal action. I recall one of the members is an animal law attorney.

I hope we are not in let's-just-put-this-behind-us mode. Lots and lots of questions still need to be answered. The animals deserve to have their stories told. Initial source, have you considered contacting one of the papers anonymously? They are duty- bound to protect the identity of their sources and the good reporters will even go to jail to uphold this obligation. You might want to contact Carla at the Gazette. She wrote an article today--a little on the bland side, but even so I think she is a fair minded person and will listen to you. Maybe Christine and Carey Macy will do the same, plus others who have information.

initial source · 1 year ago

Great idea about the papers Wag, this is something that will happen when it is safe. All I can say is that there will be a story told and it will not be from an anonymous source. It will be right from my big mouth. I know all about papers protecting the identity of a person, the DW had done a great job so far.

As for the Civil Grand Jury, anyone can file a complaint. The Grand Jury will decide if they want to investigate it or not. If they do, then they will publish their findings and recommendations in a yearly public report. Citizen complaints help the Civil Grand Jury decide what to investigate. They do not guarantee an investigation because I am sure they get loads of complaints and can't get to them all. The Criminal Grand Jury is different and I don't know much about how it works, but I am sure that it comes after the Civil Grand Jury for some.

I hope the coalition is planning legal action. It is very important that this does not happen to anyone or any animal again. No one should ever be allowed to get away with this for so long, not even the SPCA. I know this type of stuff goes on in shelters everywhere, but this is a different situation. Understanding how and why this "partnership" failed will be shocking to many. It only takes a few people at the top of each organization to set the whole place up for failure. What a shame! Selfish isn't it?

Please continue posting your interesting and enlightening information for myself and the public to learn from. After all, that’s why we are here today.

Tracy · 1 year ago

Just a comment on Civil Service..They do need to go..the system makes no sense. Good ACO's are hard to find...but to find one you have to interview many loosers. Then after you fill one position and another one comes open..you have to re-interview the same loosers that you would not have chosen the first time around... There is a lot of wasted time and effort... The testing does not work....and the lists are not necessary true to who should be in the top list..

initial source · 1 year ago

Maybe the same losers would not be on the list if the City or the Shelter would take an active role in recruiting officers. They can give them some other reasons to choose to work at LB, besides the friendly working environment and the wonderful reputation of the facility. Perhaps you didn't read the posts in the new article?
Here is an interesting fact - I only saw 1 job bulletin for Long Beach in many years of working at a shelter in the area. I was stupid enough to respond to it. I should have looked at the obvious and realized that this city was not actively recruiting for a reason.

p · 1 year ago

I found it interesting that john keisler said they were actively looking for a RVT as support staff for the new veterinarian. I don't know how they can do that when the position is not vacant. It is still filled by Culhno and there is only one position in the city of LB sooooooo what string are they pulling now. It would have to go through civil service also. unless they just hire some unqualified, uncertified assistant to do it for little pay and no benefits.

initial source · 1 year ago

The old RVT left in June 2005. Civil Service did not get notified that this position needed to be filled until April 06. Almost 1 year later. They went for over a year without an RVT . Do you think they were holding the position for someone or did someone just forget to notify Civil Service?

Sometimes, I forget to do the dishes for a year.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

The comments have dropped off on this article, but the issues remain alive. I would like to thank the people at animal control for speaking out about the conditions there, especially Christine, Carey and "initial source" It takes a lot of guts to go up against the system. You are the ones who have the facts about what goes on, and I hope that you are able to get your message out and make the changes that are needed. The whole expose only came out because of your willingness to stand up for the animals. Many blessings to you.

initial source · 1 year ago

I am confident that the issues regarding the animals at the shelter will change for the better. All the comments posted to this blog have been the key to exposing what is really going on. I mean all of them, even the cruel and slanderous posts. It really is a shame exposing this led to a few "resignations". Some do not get that option and are fired over malicious, false accusations that are damaging. Standing up against the system can uncover some other things.

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

There is no shame in Boob-job Weasel Moore getting fired, it was a long time in coming, hopefully clown poster boy Ron Arias will get his walking papers soon, standing along the unemployment line with Quigley.

David · 1 year ago

thank goodness the comments are ending because the few that are still being posted are posted by those who do not know what they are talking about. For example..the RVT that left in 2005....Civil Service was notified that year. It took that long for Civil Service to it together and get the "list" out to recruit for the replacement of the RVT. There was no hold out for anyone...just the outdated Civil Service procedures.
Lets keep the drama down..and facts straight.

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

Dear david( AKA village idiot)many persons here posting have had neg. experiences dealing with animal control. Do not say to US !! that people posting here don't know anything, there are over 1000 comments between this comment section and other news posting.

initial source · 1 year ago

"The facts", that a good one. Let's blame everything on civil service. The fact is that no one wants to work for LB animal control. The fact is that "the list" is crappy because the "qualified" people out there are unaware LB is even in that building. The fact is that most of the LB officers hired within the past few years have never worked for a shelter before. The fact is that there were only a few applicants for the RVT position in 2006. The fact is that LB was operating illegally and inhumanely and they have publically admitted to it. The fact is that SPCA allowed this to occur in their building and no one cares.The fact is that #432 is full of non-factual drama. I can go on with the facts, but they are public knowledge now.

David · 1 year ago

Initial source.....sorry you don't have the facts jack. To even apply to be an officer takes 6 months experience in the animal world. So all the officers hired in the last several years had experience and "fact" came from other shelters or animal hospitals. The fact that only a few applicants applied for the RVT position was because you had to have completed the course. Many wanted to come to AC but lacked the degree. The position was filled for 20 years so it took CS time to come up with the position ad to even post. The fact is that the spca did not let this occur. The fact is that they have nothing to do with LBAC hiring procedures. The only fact I see is that you like to stir the pot (call people names) and print a lot of non"Facts" and keep the neglectivity going. Come on people lets have some working together to service happen.

initial source · 1 year ago

I know many wanted to come to be a Vet at AC but lacked the degree. Where is that bulletin? Out of the 9 ACO's hired the past few years, 8 ACO's had no previous ACO experience: VM, BM, CM, HP, EG, BR, Curtis and Bobbi. LD was the only ACO was hired with experience. Of course there have been more hired the past few months. How many of the 8 worked in a shelter before? 1 of them? 3 or 4 of them had never worked with animals before, so I don't know how they got in. Call it negative; stirring the pot or whatever you want, it took this to "have some working together". Everyone is sick of bullsh** excuses for why the shelter is a mess. Issues are being resolved because of standing up to people like you with lame excuses and outdated Midol.

David · 1 year ago

Again Initial source has not taken her own advice. Go down to CS and read the job requirements and bulletins... Job openings are all advertised in newspapers, Internet and schools. Sorry your facts are all wrong...again.
It must make you feel important to call people names.

David · 1 year ago

For those who what to see what the requirements are to be an ACO or HT at LB check out Civil Service Job Descriptions (on the internet) .

initial source · 1 year ago

Proper recruitment for openings with AC obviously has been a long time problem. Job bulletins have not been distributed outside the LB area, including animal shelters. Maybe CS was not informed by AC to send job bulletins to other animal shelters. The manager at the LB shelter did not actively get involved in recruiting at the most important and most commonly recruited places to find qualified applicants. Most animal shelters in the area are prompt to send job bulletins to all area shelters. After all, recruiting means going to them.

David · 1 year ago

Initial Source once again you did not fail me....another article without the facts. Go to SC and ask what the procedures are to recruit for openings and see if what I'm writing is fact. All AC job bulletins are mailed to ever shelter and animal hospitals. In fact I believe there is AC blog which openings are also listed. The manager is very involved in the recruitment process by supply all the addresses of agencies to civil service to add to there recruitment list. Unless you are in all shelters recording the date every resignation was submitted your statesment is lacking facts. Thank you again initial source for not having the truth source..

what? · 1 year ago

David, what are your qualification?? It seems you have a little trouble putting together a simple sentence. Are you an ACO??? A clerk? A manager? Wouldn't be surprised. Why on earth would any one go to SC for anything? That one is the least intelligent of the bunch.

initial source · 1 year ago

No David, AC job bulletins were not mailed to EVERY shelter. I can tell you that for many years, they were not mailed to the biggest AC agencies in the area. The LA County and LA City Shelters were left out in the recruitment. Sloppy and selective recruitment procedures are obvious to everyone who is familiar with AC's past hiring history. They have a long history of a high turnover and are always short staffed. AC is also known for employing unqualified personnel due to desperation.

David · 1 year ago

I lie the loudest when I lie to myself
If I lack the courage to start, I have already finished
One thing I can not recycle is wasted time...

Again, Again "what and initial source" seem to have the usual fabricated facts. Yes, every agency LA's shelter received job opening bullitin....perhaps they just were not posted but since your in all places you would be a better judge of that.Again, they are on CS list to mail out and have been for years.
Thank you for sharing your sloppy statements that contain again..no facts.
And what is your name? are you unemployed? Depressed?

initial source · 1 year ago

You must of had access to private personnel files. As for that cute little saying, it is better left on myspace.

It is well known that the words from management are not to be trusted.


*********** And what is your name? are you unemployed? Depressed?**********

initial source
(employed and happy all the time)

Judy · 1 year ago

initial source you do not sound happy at all...sorry. Posting of job bullitins are not kept in private files. This is all very public information whether you work in the private sector or public eye. And since I work for the LA shelter I can tell you that LBAC job openings have been received/posted for many years. I can say that because I an old and have been around for awhile.

And your statement about management ..very profound but pretty much universal...public/private managements.
Lets help spreading the word to spay and neuter our pets and stop this non productive banner.

initial source · 1 year ago

You have no clue Judy. I realize that job "bullitins" are not kept in private files. I don't think job bulletins are kept there either. This "non productive banner" will result in saving many animals from neglect and unnecessary euthanasia. If you think all this is non productive, then concentrate on spreading the word on spay and neuter somewhere else. There is no such thing as the "LA shelter". If you work for one of the LA city shelters, then you must be close friends with the person that has received and posted the job bulletins for many years. Well, I happen to be.
Sorry, don't know a "Judy".

??????? · 1 year ago

I lie the loudest when I lie to myself
If I lack the courage to start, I have already finished
One thing I can not recycle is wasted time…


" Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."


Aaaawwwwwww, how touching.......

what SC · 1 year ago

Haaaaaaaa...depressed????? I'm having the time of my life...hater.

Give it up, your done, and I didn't even do it. You haven't even felt what's coming yet. Can you spell KARMA.

Can you people not do simple math and put 1 and 1 together, somehow you still get 3. That is what's so funny, you think it's me...sorry, been kind of busy living and loving life.
Guess there are more people out there that just down right dislike you.

Regarding the quote above....success is abundant when you remove the "failures" from your life...u, and u, and u, and u!! You all are just making me LMAO, what jokes . Sarcasm...it's what's for dinner!

Score: 2 down, 2 to go!!! So go home and try and get a real life, you all live in fear each day. To afraid to step off and fly.
MUAH

whos yur daddy now · 1 year ago

"Agreement #25914 dated April 7, 1998, entered in duplicate as of August 1, 1998, by and between the Los Angeles Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA-LA), a non-profit corporation, and the City of Long Beach, a municipal corporation ("City")...

Now, Therefore, in consideration of the faithful performance of the terms, covenants and conditions stated herein and at the time and in the manner stated herein, the parties agree as follows:...

3. TERM,The term of this Lease shall begin at 12:01 a.m. on August 1, 1998, and shall end at midnight on July 31, 2053, unless sooner terminated as provided herein...

19. COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS, City, at its sole cost, shall comply with all laws, ordinances rules, and regulations of and obtain such permits, licenses, and certificates required by all federal, state and local governmental authorities having jurisdiction over the Lease-Back Premises and business thereon....

25. DEFAULT, the occurrence of any of the following acts shall constitute a default by City: ...

D. Failure to maintain or pay for all necessary permits and business licenses required by the City of Long Beach in its municipal or regulatory capacity;...

F. failure to perform any term, covenant or condition of this Lease-Back, other than those set forth in sub-sections (A), (B) and (C) of this section shall not constitute a default unless such default is not cured within thirty (30) days after receipt by City of notice from SpcaLA specifying such default. If the default cannot be reasonably cured within such thirty-day period, City shall still not be in default if City begins to cure within such thirty-day period and diligently proceeds to cure to completion;"

Soooooo, my question to initial source is: when was LBAC notified by the SpcaLA that they were not their Vet and LBAC needed a premis license? ______

So, from that date, LBAC had 30 days to cure the default and get a premis. If it was not reasonable to receive one within 30 days than LBAC had to diligently proceed to get a premis license within the 30 days.

You proved Mr. Moore did neither, even after being doubly notified by staff members months prior to you breaking the story.

Mr. Moore put LBAC in Default for Breach of contract with SpcaLA. How about some dates to fill in the blanks, then let's figure out how long it took the City to correct it after media caught wind_______

.....yep.....still in default. So basically, the contract is null and void?? LBAC needs to vacate the premises for the breach. Why are these people still in business SPCA? Why have you not cut ties as per the contract??? I am sure this was a big factor in asking Mr. Moore to walk, but you, SpcaLA are required to evict LBAC!! Get another agency in to do the job right!!

I'd like to see some public opinion on this as well.

You gave them 3 strikes right in the contract.
1) D was the only sub section that did not constitute immediate default.
2) you gave 30 days to cure the default.
3) you gave 30 days to diligently proceed to cure the default.

So you got rid of Mr. Moore and the city officials were still in default according to the contract. (that's an extra 3 strikes)

The next out could be your own...

Waiting for an answer Ms. Bernstein... Mr. West.

initial source · 1 year ago

#449, you are definitely my daddy now!!! I’m not sure if the others involved will embrace your “Daddy Status” like I have.

This “Lease Agreement” can now be viewed on the Sheltertrak website. The “Partnership Agreement” has been excluded or is missing. It was public record a year or so ago, but it has miraculously disappeared. I have found most of the other SPCA partnership agreements/contracts on their very own website with very little effort.

I will try and fill in the blanks as you have requested:

1. Soooooo, my question to initial source is: when was LBAC notified by the SpcaLA that they were not their Vet and LBAC needed a premis license? OCTOBER 3th 2007
2. Mr. Moore put LBAC in Default for Breach of contract with SpcaLA. How about some dates to fill in the blanks, then let’s figure out how long it took the City to correct it after media caught wind?

Ok, the first story came out April 3rd 2008, but you should also know that there were several other individuals notified before the media, including the SPCA.

The 3 strikes were gone before the media was involved, but here you go:

October 3rd 2007 - April 3rd 2008 – 6 months from the first notification until the media caught wind.

The Premise was effective on 4/8/08 for some odd reason. The official premise license was not posted until the end of May. The premise vet was absent, not involved or invisible for about 6 weeks after the premise was “issued”. – Morally, ethically and legally – no vet for over a month after the media caught wind.

I can ask Mario to crunch some more numbers, but 7 ½ months is about 6 ½ months too long. Besides, the Medical Board issued a premise for a facility before they even processed the application or even received it for that matter. I am pretty sure the premise license is only valid if the premise vet is on the premise.

But wait, why should Long Beach have to Vacate? Didn’t SPCA breach the contract on October 3rd 2007?

whos yur daddy now · 1 year ago

IS, what section of the contract did SpcaLA breach or default on in October??? Must have something to do with veterinary care, or lack there of? Do you think being in default of the contract was the nail in Mr. Moore's coffin? If so, he was not the only one at fault, others were notified? Do tell....and why are they not being held accountable?

whos yur daddy now · 1 year ago

Oh, and I guess if SpcaLA is in default, and is evicted, the city of LB takes ownership of all buildings on the property? ( I'll have to post that section) Maybe that's why they are playing nice and overlooking the default by LB, so no one snoops around and discovers that THEY were in default of the contract and they loose EVERYTHING. Maybe it's time for a divorce, who gets custody of all the problem children running around there?

whos yur momma · 1 year ago

there is a line that everyone is missing.....City owns the land and SPCALA owns the building. This marriage will not end people...The City also a percentage in the building.....tighting the knot...

whos yur ????? · 1 year ago

SpcaLA does not own he buildings if they default on contract, it goes to LB. LB will always own the land.

The city was looking at outsourcing animal control years ago, they may consider it again and do away with this whole mess.

initial source · 1 year ago

This lease has been violated so many times by the SPCA. They have knowingly breached several sections of this agreement and I am sure they know it. There is only one way to get action on a potential violation in this agreement and both parties have blatantly decided to ignore it. According to the agreement, any notice/claim/violation has to be given in writing at the time it occurred in order for anything in this document to be executed. LB would never attempt to initiate something like that due to retaliation by the SPCA. The SPCA would never do it because they are in major violation of this lease and want to continue to do so. Here is an obvious example of several violations in this lease regarding the newly constructed Cat Cottage. The construction was managed and designed by the SPCA, they refused to finish it and they still haven’t improved it. The stray cats have been subjected to inhumane conditions for over a year.

Project approval letter

“The SPCA-LA will manage the design and construction phases of the project”

Improvements

SPCA LA shall construct improvements to the property……

Liens

SPCLA shall keep the property free of any mechanic’s or material man’s liens for any work done, labor performed or material furnished by or for SPCALA relating to the property.

Maintenance

SPCALA shall, at its cost and satisfaction of the city, maintain the property (including the common areas) in good condition, substantial repair in a safe, clean sanitary condition and in compliance with applicable laws.

Nicole · 1 year ago

No matter how you feel about animal control, we should all realize that they are not the only problem. Irresponsible pet owners are a major source of problems for Long Beach (and everywhere else). Do you have any stories about the disastrous deeds of vile pet owners? If so, post them or email them to me at nicole@thedistrictweekly.com.

to Nichole · 1 year ago

Well, irresponsible pet ownership is one thing, "disastrous deeds of vile pet owners" sound like those that commit animal cruelty and hurt animals, opposed to neglect. There are far too many stories of both. Like the pet owner that brought his adult dog to the shelter and turned it in because "it was the wrong color", then had the nerve to ask to pick out a new dog.....These things happen every day in every shelter. Some of it is cultural and LA is the melting pot of so many. Some of these adults are beyond the comprehension of taking care of an animal as a family member, they don't understand why "we Americans" make such a big deal, "there just animals." The only hope is reaching their children and teach them before they enter society.

It's how you raise them.....Pit Bulls
it's how you raise them.....Pit Bull Owners
It's how you raise them.....children

We must break the cycle!!!!!

Mario · 1 year ago

Nicole, I doubt that anyone who reads the posts here would argue that irresponsible pet owners contribute greatly to the pet overpopulation problem and the resulting euthanasia of healthy animals at shelters. The need to spay/neuter has been reiterated in your paper and others, although mainly the posters are preaching to the choir. Are there really any DW followers of the recent animal control stories who think spay/neuter is a bad idea? (trolls excepted of course)

Your post 456 left me a little confused over what you are seeking in the way of responses. You segued into “disastrous deeds” which I tend to think of as acts of cruelty rather than irresponsible behavior which I believe consists of allowing pets to breed, roam freely with no supervision, things of that nature. While the activities mentioned in the previous sentence constitute irresponsible behavior , I would not characterize them as “disastrous deeds”

If you are looking for reports of cruelty and neglect with the purpose of enlightening the readers of your paper, I applaud your goal, but I also think that this particular readership is well aware of this. If one searches Google by typing in the words “animal cruelty”, well over three million entries appear.

I am concerned by the way you phrased your comment that you are letting animal control off the hook by looking for worse actions than those they committed. The lesser of two evils is still evil. I hope that you take into consideration that LBAC employees need to be held to a high standard of conduct and accountability. If a private citizen strangled a dog, there would be criminal penalties for the act. When a Long Beach A/C employee strangles a dog, there is a suspension and a cover-up.

Most of the credible information about what is happening at LBAC has come from someone who posts under the name “initial source”. Have you folks at the DW thought of putting initial source on your payroll? It’s only fair.

initial source · 1 year ago

This story is on the house because the reward is far greater than a few bucks. I would never want to do it again, but if I had to, I would not take money to tell it.

Question of the Day:

If you witness a man choking at a restaurant and you did nothing to help, would you feel guilty? What if you were the only qualified person to help him and you didn't, would you be guilty?

Here is a strange description of the village:

City of Long Beach Website:

In 2001, the Bureau of Animal Control relocated to a new state-of-the-art companion animal care and control village. Thanks to a unique partnership agreement between the City of Long Beach and the spcaLA

SpcaLA Website:

Built in 2001, spcaLA's P.D. Pitchford Companion Animal Village and Education Center is the result of a unique collaborative effort between a public and private entity.

"A unique partnership agreement" and "a unique collaborative effort"

What is the difference? I think the answer to this will help us understand the problem. SpcaLA has this agreement/effort and the public has not been able to view it. Secrets are kept to hide the truth.

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

Sounds like someone is trying to divert the real issues of Long Beach animal control. If we wished to hear about nasty things people do to pets why not turn on animal planet- animal cops detroit, animal cops texas or animal cops miami? We can be witness to horses being starved, dogs tied to chains in the hot sun, 230 cats in a one bedroom apt.

initial source · 1 year ago

I think you meant “the real issues of Spca LA’s Pitchford Animal Companion Village”? Right? Animal neglect and abuse stories are newsworthy and will always attract readers. Take a look at how this story was presented. I think it would be hard to write an article and attract readers. This task would be like KFC having a booth at a vegetarian conference.

Question of the Day:

Who did it?

Your 5 year old son told you that one of the neighbors touched him inappropriately. You only have 2 neighbors, Michael Jackson and a paralyzed man in a bubble with no arms. Which neighbor would you initially think did it? Now, which neighbor would the vast majority of the world think did it?

Bubble Boy is protected and never investigated.

Michael has every news station out in front of his house. The cameras remain in front of his house even after he provided a valid alibi. He was in a coma.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

OK, so this isn't the type of story Nicole is looking for, but I'm going to tell it anyway. Several weeks ago a young truck driver was making a delivery to the company I work for. He saw me feeding the feral cats on the premises (yes, the cats are spayed/neutered) He told me how much he loves animals and that he recently rescued a family of ducklings who were trapped in a storm drain or pipe of some sort in Long Beach. The area where he saw the stranded little ones was inaccessible to one person, so the truck driver called his uncle in West Covina to come out and help him. Between the two of them, they were able to get all of the ducklings to safety. My heart sank when he told me they took the babies to Long Beach Animal Control. The young man was smiling and proud of his rescue. I just didn't have the heart to tell him that he sent those ducklings to their deaths.

Judy · 1 year ago

this is exactly what needs to stop "wag the dog" is wagging the tongue and spreading lies. I have fostered many ducklings brought to the LBAC for years. Health Techs, ACO and clerical staff have always stepped up to the plate to foster many young animals....including squirrels, bunnies, birds etc.... The staff has fostered many ducklings in order to let them grow up enought to be set free. Stop the lies.........

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Oh please Judy, get the facts before you start running off at the mouth.. Is this a lie too?: "For the month of March 2008, 480 animals were euthanized: 75 percent of the animals euthanized were feral cats or wildlife." Source: Long Beach Report

While it's possible that a wild animal is occasionally spared, the truth is most of the wildlife that ends up at LBAC is killed. The odds were very much against those ducklings and you know it's true.

initial source · 1 year ago

It makes no sense at all for the LB staff to volunteer off time to help the shelter animals. They feel guilty if they don’t, because the animal may die. They are already overworked, this will just add to the stress. It's a shame that they have to do this when there are plenty of other alternatives. The village is obligated to transport the wildlife to where they need to go, PERIOD!! The SPCA should take over the transport of the wildlife; they have the volunteers and the resources. If that is out of the question, then maybe they should consider modifying the information about the village.

Thanks to a unique partnership agreement between the City of Long Beach and the spcaLA, the two agencies now jointly deliver innovative and revolutionary care to the animals that enter the Village.Residents of Long Beach and contract cities also benefit from more efficient animal control services.

If the ducks were healthy mallards, they’re federally protected and it is against the law to kill them. On the other hand, it is cruel keep them at the shelter for a long period of time while awaiting transport.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Why is there no accounting at all of rehabilitated wildlife? The stats obtained by LB Reports show impounded animals, euthanized animals, adopted/rescued animals, but no mention anywhere about wildlife relocation. This is a big red flag. If LBAC and/or SPCA/LA are engaged in saving wildlife, why don't they say so?

Adding this to the list of unanswered questions....

initial source · 1 year ago

Wag, Wag, Wag.... you crack up. I guess I owe you a laugh.

The accounting for rehabilitated wildlife can easily be done on your fingers. The armless bubble boy can raise his hands and give you an accurate count for the records....... Ok, I just laughed, now you owe me. Honestly, the numbers are probably too embarrassing that the "secret and hide the truth" maneuver was the better choice. OK, LB does 1 protocol in common with the SPCA, I was wrong.

The statistics are limited and inaccurate for 3 reasons:

1) A computer program that was donated by The Flintstones
2) No one has ever asked for detailed or accurate statistics
3) SpcaLA force field (Bubble Boy) - why no one has asked

Where did you read that "engaged in saving wildlife" crap? Was that on a SPCA donation form or something? You must of been mistaken Wag, put on your glasses and read it again. It actually says, “LBAC is engaged in killing wildlife and the SpcaLA is engaged in watching".

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Well, uh actually, initial source, the "saving wildlife crap" was a deduction I made from post 465--attributed to you.

Maybe I should back up a couple of posts to fully explain. I wrote post 462, my premise being that wildlife are killed when they are taken to LBAC.

Judy called me a liar in post 463, and states that babies are cared for by staff. I disagreed with Judy and wrote 464.

Post 465 claims that wildlife are cared for and transported to safety. "The village is obligated to transport them where they need to go" (Presumably NOT the euthanasia room).

Post 465 didn't sound like something you would write, but I thought you may have been facetious in some of the comments. So anyway, that led me to write Post 466 in which I questioned the whole wild life rehab thing.

Here is what I think happens to wildlife when they are brought to LBAC. They are euthanized and perhaps now and then a few make it out alive.

Am I right or wrong, initial source?

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

For your info: Judy is high on the Quiglydyte totem pole and is a high ranking card carrying member of Friends of the Long Beach shelter. Shows how she can defend such Garbajjjj................

initial source · 1 year ago

Wag, you’re a smart dog and I want to make you smarter. As far as I know, I am the only one using this name. Sorry for the confusion, but did not say that the wildlife was actually cared for and transported safely, I said that the village is obligated to do it, but they didn't. I was completely serious when I wrote that post. That was a serious, factual and an important post.

Now #467 is a comical, factual and directly related #465 post. Ok Wag, since I confused you, I'm going to give you a treat. Yes, the majority of the wildlife did not make it out alive. If I had to guess, 1 out of 50 remained wildlife. Just a guess Wag, but I estimated kind of low. High estimate would be 1 out of 75-100 remained wildlife. Both are bad so I guess it does not matter. You don't actually think they are killing everything now, do you? I seriously doubt SPCA is helping out with the transport. Maybe they will offer to help when they find out they can get donations for it.

I'm going start a list of unanswered questions also. I will start it with this:

Why was the LB manager the only one held responsible for all of this?

Both sides were working together at the same shelter and both sides were aware of everything. The public did not worry about this shelter because they were confident that Spca would step in and take care of any issues if they came up. But they didn't. I wonder if this the reason they did not step in and do the right thing for the wildlife?

initial source · 1 year ago

To: @@@@@@@@@

Does that mean "Judy" is falsey accusing the innocent?

No worries, what comes around goes around.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Judy, are you reading this? Still think the ducklings made it out alive?

They were tiny babies, Jude. You owe them the truth. Won't cost you a thing...

ok, ok · 1 year ago

the ducklings probably got taken over to El Dorado duck pond and a foster mother (duck) hopefully took them in. Unless they are ill, sick, dying, which some ducklings are....someone should have tried. This is mostly done without managements knowledge as it takes "valuable" time, and Quigley just wont have that. they are then left in natures hands. Most sea birds, ducks, sea lions and such make it to the right place. Opossums, raccoons, squirrels (except a couple), crows, pigeons, about 99.9 % of them die. some baby birds are saved by a local woman but wildlife rescue will not take babies, so alot of them get put down also. Some staff try to help, some are not really qualified to foster such animals. Moore demanded that those above continue to be euthanized no matter what ideas staff took to him. Not one staff member was happy with having to euthanize these sometimes healthy animals but he made us. His mentality was behind the times and now he is. This is one area that needs improvement. The finny thing is, even when Spca staff ends up with a baby bird or a bunch of pinkie rats or something found at the Village...they run it over for LB staff to euthanize....why? Don't we have enough guilt without having to keep you (spca) all from feeling any? How about you do yours and we'll do ours...your's including anything you DON'T pick for adoption. Bet the numbers would change then. they are the masters of turning a blind eye.

initial source · 1 year ago

Does this sound like an organization that would ignore or dismiss what happens in their own building? You be the judge.


* SPCA-LA President Madeline Bernstein said:

"It's so important how we treat our animals, and this village......... You see a philosophy that ever animal deserve respect and food and medical care regardless of why they're here in the first place. You will also see that stray animals that are not yet ready for adoption are given the same creature comforts as animals that are in the adoption areas. There are no second class citizens at this facility..."

* Mission Statement
spcaLA is dedicated to the prevention of cruelty to animals through Education, Law Enforcement and Intervention.

* spcaLA believes that animals, as living creatures, have value beyond economic measurement, and are entitled to legal, moral and ethical consideration and protection.



7 years is a long time to ignore this. When will the intervention take place? A few months ago would of been the obvious time, but you didn't.

Did you offer legal, moral or ethical consideration and protection to the wildlife that have died in your shelter? Maybe they are the second class citizens at the facility. That would make the unselected adoptable animals third class citizens, Right? We also need to classify the stray cats.

Judy · 1 year ago

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I'm not part of the Friends..or the Quigley group. I'm to old to get involved with all that...I do my best on the side line and keep caring for the animals.....And again....staff tries their best. Why not take the time and do what it takes to become become a foster parent.....so staff can call YOU to help out. Actions and your help can only result in happy foster homes... Put your words to actions....
Again more lies..... Management (including Quigley, John, Roger,)does know about taking the duckings to the pond because some of the management have brought them there themselves. Readers.....the people that work at the shelter do so because they care. And yes there is a rotten apple in every group....but staff is working hard to change things. GIve them a hand instead of a slap in the face every time you can. I think you have made your point on who you don't like and these you do. It is time volunteer and make a difference.
Signed..foster parent and loving it..

Another Foster Parent · 1 year ago

wag the dog and inital source....it think you have shown us that you can copy, cut and paste....how about copying and pasting your body at the shelter to do some volunteering. There always a need to help wash the towels.........

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

I have volunteered for rescue groups for the past 18 years--adoptions, fostering, transport, cash donations in excess of $40,000--not that any of this is your business. Judy and others at LBAC think that just because people don't volunteer at that particular shelter that we don't do anything to help animals--what a load of bull! Comments on 475 and 476 prove once again, you don't know what you are talking about and the only thing you are good at is falsely accusing and criticizing others. Shame on both of you.

initial source · 1 year ago

I have volunteered to help all the animals in a bigger way than anybody will ever have the balls to do. This is the only way to make sure policies are adopted at the shelter to protect the animals for a long time. You may think it is petty and bitchey, I don’t blame you. This is so much more productive for the cause right now than doing a load of laundry or cleaning a cage. I agree with Judy, there have been several baby ducks released in El Dorado Park. Policies need to be set so these little ducks do not sit for a long time in the shelter waiting to be released. Some of these babies have died or had to be euthanized because they were not released in time.

Ok, now that we all know that less than 1% of the wildlife was released in El Dorado Park, we can all go to the shelter a wash a load of laundry. The majority of the other baby birds that come into the shelter will have a clean towel to lie on before they die. If pigeons were legally protected like the mallards then they would be released too. I have respect for all foster parents because it is hard work. Change needs to be made for the rest of the animals that come through that facility because they deserve the same chance that you have given to your fosters. Animals should not have to die because they are brought into the shelter; we are there to protect them. That is so wrong!!

Wonderful changes have already been made but we can't stop until all the wildlife is taken care of. You don’t realize right now, but we are working together. There should be more people like you involved and you can thank the few of us for making that happen.

@@@@@@@ · 1 year ago

No wonderful changes will be made until Quigey is kicked to the curb and out of a job. What kinda dumb-ass would let her evolve to management, shame shame!! and the Quiggy's just keep on a killin!!

initial source · 1 year ago

The Bubble Boy has been in control.

The Bubble Boy is the dumb-ass.

;o) · 1 year ago

Bubble Boy allows Quigley to act out like she does??? That's not thier fault, though she tries to keep it down when Roger and John are around. All the employees know who she really is. She is a scared, selfish, lonely, self serving hot head that needs to go. She is a huge part of the overall problem and they just don't see it yet. who else would blow a gasket just because an officer took the time to take some baby ducks to the park or the wildlife rescue, even if it was on their own time. she hast to control everything and if you make a move on your own she lashes out. Initial source, can you do anything about her???? You can't help the animals if WE can't help the animals and she IS the problem. while your at it get rid of the Psudo office mgr.....LAME. these are two poisonous people that need some serious therapy and more meds.

initial source · 1 year ago

Sorry, the power is in the bubble. He is faithful to her. Wm was not so lucky. I do know that he can't stand the other one. Believe it or not, this is a direct result of the lack of diversity in the workplace. If you have narrow minded, selfish and bitchy crackers working together, problems will arise.

I guarantee there will be more problems as long as the bubble is present. Someone should get a hold of the partnership agreement and see what the hell it says.

The private investigator's report should be out soon. That would be good reading material, too bad we can't read it. If the City Manager does his job, you might get your wish.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Hmmmm.....I'm thinkin' the report might be available under the "Freedom of Information Act" -- most things are.

If the investigator spun the report to make LBAC look good, you can bet the report will be all over the media. If the investigator airs the dirty laundry, it will be a lot tougher to see it. Maybe LB Reports can take a shot at getting the report. They got the euth stats from the city.

A dream come true would be to have one A/C officer in particular transferred to laundry detail...they seem to need someone in that capacity, if poster 476 can be considered credible.

Village anthem · 1 year ago

Wash, dry, fold, kill........Wash, dry, fold, kill.......Wash, dry, fold, kill........

We have a new shelter song people!

I guess the witch hunt continu · 1 year ago

Hey Village,
that should be the anthem of all animal shelters nationwide..Go North on the 605 and check out that little animal shelter in the dead end street. Ya the one that starts with a S. They kill everything. It's not uncommon for an ACO to euthanize everything on his truck at the end of the day. That Hayden Act?? That shelter skirts around the law by claiming "Euthanasia is a service for a fee". Perfectly healthy animals are euthanized daily, with this so-called service. Yes this is a public agency. How come none of you so-called animal rights activists make a stink out of that? Ask the Director or Reyes, what happens to an animal once a blue euthanasia request is signed.

nnnnnow · 1 year ago

we may hear the results of the investigation as it pertains to the isolated incident under investigation. what the investigator found out in the interim blew even his mind. this is the info everyone needs to see.....the real story. I think management, and the city, is afraid of what has been found out in all of this. They are going to try and keep it under wraps at any cost...it is ALL the dirty laundry. We will get ahold of it and hold you to all of your lies. where do you want your going away party, girls?

IT, you are killing me:
"Ok, now that we all know that less than 1% of the wildlife was released in El Dorado Park, we can all go to the shelter a wash a load of laundry. The majority of the other baby birds that come into the shelter will have a clean towel to lie on before they die."

The only laundry I can see needing attention is the "dirty" laundry everyone is tippy toeing around. Any volunteers for that????

let's at least do one load so they will have crying towels when they get their walking papers.

initial source · 1 year ago

#485 - My neighbors beat their kids, why can't I do it"?

#465 - Don't get your hopes up, remember the “secret and hide the truth” maneuver.

nnnnnow · 1 year ago

It seems we have hit a nerve.....I here a little high pitched panic in the village. Time to start "Phase III" or are we on Phase II of this little adventure? AnyWhooo, keep up the good work!!! More to come????

initial source · 1 year ago

We can all speculate and accuse in order to make changes. That is usually the only way to get action.

So far, LB has publically taken the blame and they are making changes.

So far, SpcaLA is not involved and they have been quiet in the media.

I think:

The partnership agreement will hold the SpcaLA responsible in some way shape or form and here's why:

• It ‘s not made public anymore
• It ‘s not posted at the shelter or offered to the employees
• The SpcaLA describes the relationship as an “effort”.
• Most other public/private agreements are posted online

We can enter in phase 50 million, but it will be worthless without this document. I realize that very few people will agree or attempt to look into it. I hope the right person will look outside the bubble and help. LB can make all the changes in world, but without structure and accountability it’s a waste of time.

SpcaLA, prove me wrong and post this agreement. It should be public knowledge and the employees have the right to know the structure of the shelter. I am coming to the conclusion that LB is not the only one responsible for the confusion and mismanagement of the shelter.

sweet liberty · 1 year ago

comments from 478 to 489 ..........written by a very small group of people filled with a lot of BS....so clueless and filled with non-truths ...pointless to comment about.....

##### · 1 year ago

490#, looks like you flunked 3rd grade math, how can 1000 persons commenting on a shelter behaving badly be all on the wrong side? Did you write the Quiggles guide on how to kill as many dogs & cats and baby ducks with out getting caught and get away with it?

initial source · 1 year ago

Correction #490, the comments were written by 1 person.

I don't care what you think or write, it proves that you are ignorant

My comments are for individuals that matter and you are not one of them.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

It doesn't matter if there was one person or one thousand people commenting here--change always starts with small groups. Remember there were only 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence...

The animal loving public owes a debt of gratitude to initial source, Christine Culhno and Carey Macey. Were it not for these 3-- and others I'm sure--it would be business as usual at LBAC. That would not be good for the animals!

490, if you don't like what is written, then no one is forcing you to read these posts.

I note that there has not been one factual rebuttal to anything the aforementioned trio has written--just insults and name calling, but I guess that's the only ammunition you have, 490. (To clarify: I am referring to matters of substance when I write "no factual rebuttal" I don't really care about the minutiae about where jobs openings are posted, etc. ) I leave it to 490 to pick the fly shit from the pepper.

initial source · 1 year ago

Well put Wag, thanks for the support.

This could not have been done without the DW and the following:

* The slanderous comments from shelter management
* The help from a select few (you know who you are)
* The involvement of a group of people that have had it in for the shelter for awhile

commit · 1 year ago

#490, welcome back, we missed seeing the "phony" people from the shelter. Thanks to you once again confirming that your poison leaches from every pore. Do you even notice the employees walking back and fourth hanging their heads in shame and the embarrassment of having to work alongside the likes of you. As yo u pretend to care and be everyone's "friend". Borrow someone's mirror. Your the only one that wants to look at you!

to all the sh** flies · 1 year ago

YAWWN, the bitch fest continues...........is this the daily diary of the life of LBAC?? There really must be some disgruntled people here. An LBAC employee breaks a nail and it ends up posted here. You guys are like sh** flies ready to land and spread that sh** as soon as it come out of the dogs anus in one of LBAC kennels. Class action law suits, commiteees, letters to presidents, "Free NAAR" T-shirts, candle-light vigils, threats, what next?? I guess we'll soon find out..HA HA

initial source · 1 year ago

Laugh now, but they might be ending a few posts with "HA HA"

Don't know them, not affilated with them, didn't agree with them.

I think they have every right to be pissed, mainly because of sorry saps like you. Shelter neglect and inhumane treatment might be another reason, just a guess.

"The bitch fest" is a bunch of people who don't know each other and don't agree on things. We do have a common goal:

Clean the shelter of abusive people like you.

Super Hero · 1 year ago

Here are quotes from the Hayden Violator herself, Michelle Quigley:

Of the 80 cats found, two have survived. The rest were either discovered dead or euthanized because of their poor health, Animal Control officials said...
The two surviving cats are being treated at Long Beach Animal Control for severe ear mites and dermatitis.

"They're being monitored daily. They're eating and responding, so they're doing pretty well," Quigley said.

The cats will not be available for adoption any time soon because they are being held as evidence in the ongoing Animal Control investigation against Heidi and Debbie Hill.

The last live cat, found alive just before fumigators were about to sanitize the apartment Wednesday, had to be euthanized because Animal Control found that it had even more significant health problems than the others, Quigley said.

The cat was severely dehydrated and had more significant skin issues, dermatitis and ear mites, not to mention being "totally feral ... completely unsocialized," Quigley said.

Seventy-three cats had already been euthanized already because the Hills had told Animal Control that they knew the cats were ill and didn't want them to suffer.

"They wanted to see them humanely put down," Quigley said.

The cats were thin and dehydrated, with various stages of respiratory diseases and skin diseases that would have required extensive medical care.

IN SOURCE, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME TRUTH ON THIS ISSUE. WHAT WAS VIOLATED HERE? I SEE A FEW GOOD ONES!!!

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Wow! Just when you think you've read the biggest load of bull in your life, along comes post 498 and takes you to a whole new level of lies.

Did you watch the film on the news? The cats didn't look sick.

The cats were killed the same day they were taken to LBAC--they weren't even seen by a vet.

Earmites, fleas, dermatitis are all conditions that are easily--and inexpensively treated. Dehydration is treated by administering sub-cutaneous fluids in severe cases. Malnutrition is treated by feeding the cats.

The cats didn't stand a chance--even so-called feral cats are given 3 days in shelters to determine if they are truly feral or frightened domestic cats. This is a requirement of the Hayden Act.

73 cats were killed on orders from Officer Quigley in clear violation of the Hayden Act. Fleas and earmites do not constitute "irremediable suffering"

As far as the alleged statement from the hoarders: "they wanted to see them humanely put down" Well, if you believe that, then there's not much hope for your brain cells. Think about it a minute--one day life goes on as usual for the hoarders and their cats, and the next day--"Hey Mom, I've got an idea--let's have our cats humanely put down."

Here's another thing to ponder--both of the hoarders were required to have mandatory psychiatric evaluations. Do you think they were capable of making a rational decision regarding the fate of their cats? If your answer is yes, then how would you know before the results of the evaluation came in? (several days after the cats were killed.)

Officer Quigley has violated the Hayden Act repeatedly and needs to find another line of work.

initial source · 1 year ago

I really agree with the both of you. Let's have the view of a person that was actually involved. Here it is:

There was not a diaganosis from a Vet, the cats were suffering because they did not want to house and treat them. If an animal is surrendered by it's owner and it needs medication, it is euthanized. People are involved with the decision making of life and death that are not suppose to be.

You both have to remember that if the cats were not killed, they would of been housed in the inhumane cat cottage, not selected by Spca and then killed. They had to get out of that environment but look where they would of been put.

Spca violates the Hayden Act everyday. Please look at the obvious because she will not be the problem anymore, I can guarantee that. Shockingly, I can almost agree with MQ a little because she knows that they would not be selected and housed improper. I can't believe I just said that! Wow!

You both have good points. I have the facts in more ways than you know.

Linda · 1 year ago

Initial Source.....your real name..please....

initial source · 1 year ago

And ruin everything that has been done and trying to be done? Sorry, the shelter animals are not protected if I give it up now. I am sure some know who I am and some think they know. Ask around or just ask yourself one question, "Out of all the shelter employees, which one would everyone want to talk to?"

One small part of the big problem has been addressed, now comes the hard part. The influential spouse in a bubble. The quiet innocent one that has been the biggest problem for the shelter animals. Believe it or not, more animals were killed because of them than animal control. I can prove it.

to all the sh** flies · 1 year ago

Still waiting for changes!! If you get rid of Quigley, I wonder who your next target will be. Get off that cloud you guys are floating on. The reality is as long as humans keep encroaching on wild animals habitats and keep allowing animals to breed. ANIMALS will die. THERE is no such thing or place where they can roam free, there is no rescues large enough or with enough money to upkeep all the animals that are taken into the shelter. It is also not fair to keep them overcrowded for days on end(like LA city does) for the sake of pleasing humaniacs. Come up with a reasonable solution as to where to put all these homeless animals , I still have'nt read it in all 502 comments. Otherwise stop complaining about euthanasia numbers. Start a commitee on that issue. C'mon let me hear your solutions???

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Sh** Fly must really have something to hide...always looking for someone else to blame, always trying to sidestep the issues which prompted these comments in the first place. Go back and read the DW articles. You will find there were acts of cruelty and neglect at Long Beach Animal Control. This is what caring people are trying to fix. Poster 503 is just another impediment. Whatever you are covering up must be serious...

to all the sh** flies · 1 year ago

HA HA. Look who's blaming. OK so you fix the current shelter situation, fire and arrest everyone, at LBAC that broke the law..NOW what???. STILL what to do with the animals???They will keep coming, no matter who's in charge. How is that sidestepping, that's the root of the problem "Wag the fly". Let me hear your solution to the issue of animal overpopulation and euthanasia, instead of blaming the system and everyone who works there, what would you do different? Remember reality!! Not dream world nonsense!!. Crack that baby open!!

to all the CRACK flies · 1 year ago

For now on you dreamers will be known as crack-flies. Because you're cracking that egg open..Thanks!!

initial source · 1 year ago

To all the Crack Flies and Sh*tflies:
I have a new habitat for you to check out. I has great amenities and it's all inclusive.


Fly and Maggot Habitat

* The refrigeration room that stores the dead animals was not working for almost a month.

* The temperature outside the room was cooler than inside the room.

* The mechanism was actually blowing out hot air instead of cold air and was heating the room and the carcasses to a perfect temperature. These are perfect conditions to help assist and speed up the rotting time. These are also perfect conditions for flies, maggots and bacteria.

*Several members of management were routinely informed of this horrible condition. SPCA is responsible for facility maintenance and they were “calling” someone for a month.

*Employees were so grossed out, that they had to hold their breath when they entered the cooler to be able to put an animal inside.

*The normal behavior while exiting the room was to run really fast and as far as you can while choking and gagging.

*Already decomposing and pungent animals were put in the room after being scraped and shoveled off the road from the Animal Control Officers.

*Flies were attracted to the decomposing, foul smelling animal carcasses. Flies were constantly inside and around the euthanasia room. Most of the flies would land on employees after snacking on the maggot ridden, rotting flesh.

*Maggots were inside the refrigerator crawling all over the dead animals. They were crawling on the floor and climbing up the walls throughout the whole walk in cooler.

*The Maggots were constantly escaping the unit from a gap underneath the heavy metal doors. They would make their way inside the euthanasia room and then crawl up the walls and cabinets.

*The disgusting accumulation of maggots would have to be hosed out of the euthanasia room on a daily basis.

*Anyone that was inside the euthanasia room or near the unit would have a lingering nauseating smell on their clothes and hair. This smell stayed with this person all day long.

*Everyone, including management, would comment on the unbearable smell of an employee that was fortunate enough to work near that place.

*The doors to the euthanasia room had to be propped open all day to prevent the staff from throwing up. This would bring a constant supply of flies buzzing around inside the euthanasia room.

*The animal carcasses were still being picked up weekly but the juices that had drained everywhere were still present. There were animals that were not picked up for the whole month because they were on hold for some reason.

*On last week of this nightmare, the cooler doors would be left open to release the heat and smell from inside the cooler. The air was cooler outside anyway. This would invite more flies and was a hazard to the wildlife on and around the facility.

*SPCA was taking so long because of the cost of repairing the unit, so they told us that they were “calling around”. Long Beach finally took action and took care of it in 2 days, almost 1 month after it went out.

*SPCA and Long Beach staff members refused to come inside the euthanasia room because of the smell.

*The poor man that came out to repair the unit was horrified and disgusted by the inexcusable conditions he had to work in. That will probably be the worse job he will every do in his life.

*The animals that were in the cooler for the whole month were no longer in any condition to do anything with, so they were disposed of. Most of them had begun to liquefy into this nasty gelatinous goo inside the bag.

*The purpose of the freezer is to slow down the decomposition and in turn, reduce the smell and minimize unsanitary conditions of the carcasses until pick up. It was also used as a Fly and Maggot Habitat.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Shit Fly, I place the blame where it belongs--employees of LBAC who broke the law. I'll spell it out for you. Most people understand that a no-kill nation is still a distant dream. The issue at hand is how animals are treated when they are taken to shelters. The Hayden Act was designed to maximize the opportunities for animals to get a second chance. It is clear on how long animals must be held before being euthanized. It's not an option for shelters to decide when or if they want to follow this law.

In addition, humane euthanasia laws are on the books in California. These laws are designed to prevent cruel and painful deaths. Strangling a dog is against the law. A dog was strangled at LBAC. Are you starting to get it now?

Of course you are free to create as many diversions as you like, because you are unwilling or unable to comprehend what many people are trying to accomplish here: humane treatment of animals at LBAC/SPCA/LA.

Unfortunately, we are not at this point in time able to end world hunger, stop global warming or end the war in Iraq. You might want to expand your blame game a little more to give your comments some variety.

I know there are good people at LBAC, but I don't think you're one of them. I still think you are hiding something--something you did maybe?

Super Puppy · 1 year ago

Wag...I think I love you ;o)

#507--Don't forget the employee that was exposed extensively to that situation got sick with sore throat, eye/ear/nasal discharge, burning eyes and mucous membranes, respiratory issues and they were all hidden and went unreported (which is mandatory for ANY work injury or health issue) by management because they didn't want the guys at the Health Department to find out about the cooler. Sure it got fixed, but only after someone's A** was on the line.

And then there was the poor "schmuck" that had to clean it all out and inventory every juicy animal. Is that considered cruel and unusual punishment? I guess someone had to do it, but it should have been the one's that ignored it for so long.

Info only · 1 year ago

There has not been any investigation of management issues, it has been 4 months since the story broke and employees have not been contacted by this "private investigation team". How do I know? Ive been asking, I was given a name of Mr. Lopez, who was going to contact me regarding this issue and nothing yet! HR and all the higher management is avoiding the MAIN ISSUE, what caused the break down at the shelter, sure you get rid of a few and think that it's gonna fix it. I can tell you it hasn't. It is building back up to a roar, and it's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt, the way employees are being run to the ground and working the most busiest season of the year, with the lowest total of fuly trained staff is heart breaking. The City of Long Beach and all it's contract cities are noticing the poor response times and calling daily demanding things we just can't provide anymore. We are on emergency services, but management failed to notify the public of this fact, so now animals are in traps longer than 12 hours, sick and injured animals have to wait and everyone here is putting taking complaints on the phone, in the field and our contract cities. We are going to be right back where we started if something BIG doesn't happen soon!!

who can help · 1 year ago

So what do you propose, we need some ideas to come from the people that are affected by this as well as the public served. It is clear that animals are still suffering, even if it is only an oppossum in a trap. Is management helping staff at all?? are they getting their rears out there and helping??? Are they too "above" doing the menial task that lower class persons do?? Then THEY clearly are the ones that need to go!!!

LB City Girl · 1 year ago

I have a neighbor who moved and left behind their three cats. It's sad to watch them starving to death out on the street. But I already feed a couple of strays and am already afraid I am becoming the cat lady in the hood. So one day I called animal control and explained my dilemna. They told me to get a humane cat trap and call them when I caught one and they would come pick it up. So I did.
I caught one and called them at 11am one Saturday morning and was told the cat would get picked up in an hour. I said fine, but I have to leave in a bit, so what if you guys don't get here before I leave? They told me it was no problem, leave the cat in the shade and they'll get it. When I got home at 4pm, the cat was still there. And it was so sad, while I was gone, the cat had injured its nose trying to escape the cage. I called again and was given an apology and a promise the cat would be picked up no later than 8pm. I gave it some water and at about 7pm left again for a dinner party. At about ten pm, I got a call from Animal Control telling me they wouldn't be picking up the cat and that I could bring it in on Monday morning. I explained to the officer that I was concerned about the cat because it was really stressed and I didn't think it should stay in the trap any longer, and that it had been in there already for about 11 hours. The officer then told me that I was now guilty of animal cruelty and that they may press charges against me if I didn't take action to relieve the cat's stress. You can imagine how upset I was, so I immediately left the dinner party and released it.
I can see ione of the three strays out on the street under my car right now. The poor thing is skin and bones. I imagine it can't live much longer. If only Animal Control had kept its promise to me a month ago, at least maybe the cat would've died humanely.
The thing is I recently discovered where that neighbor moved to, I am thinking to catch the cats again and take them back to the owner who left them behind when they moved.
It's sad, because I tried to do the right thing, and I was threatened with legal action by animal control because of it. It's really upsetting for me to watch these cats starving to death, but I really can't take on the responsibility for three more cats. Isn't this Animal Control's job? I am very afraid to call them again, but these three cats really need their intervention.
Just had to get this off my chest...Thanks all.

Nicole · 1 year ago

Info only (or anyone with real information), if you would like to help make sure something gets done, talk to me: nicole@thedistrictweekly.com.

to all the CRACK flies · 1 year ago

Exactly as I thought. Crack-/Flies/Pots with no solutions to the real issues. Even Nicole wants real information. Anyone have any real solutions of how to deal with the growing animals coming into the shelter system or is this just a continuing compaint section about broken LBAC equipment and employees. By the way, the cooler always smells and is always a disgusting place, with maggots and decomosing flesh and spending more than one minute in there will always permeate clothes. What else is new??
Besides a busted freezer, whats your coalition come up with in dealing with the excessive animals at the shelter??

to all the CRACK flies · 1 year ago

Hey, vegetarian animal lover. You should get the name of person or persons that promised you and arrival time and report them to John. Clerks should not promise the public an arrival time, ACO's don't make appointments, priorities and high volume of calls does not allow that. You should have been informed to bring the animal in from the first time you called. Unfortanetly the animal had to sit in a hot cage for a long time. Also if you take on the responsibilty to trap the animal, you also take on the responsiblity for its care and well-being until surrendered to Animal Control. Maybe one of these so-called animal lovers will have a solution for you in how to deal with the cats...OH wait, I forgot, they're not posting any solutions to issues here only complaints Sorry Veggie animal lover.

LB City Girl · 1 year ago

Yes, I wanted to get names, but the officer that called me at ten pm was so verbally abusive and threatening to me I was afraid to ask their name. It was a woman officer and she was out of control.
I certainly hope you aren't implying that since I trapped the cat I became responsible for it, because I let it go because the officer told me that I should if I wasn't planning on bringing it to the shelter. The cat in question is extremely feral, and hisses and attempts attacks when you try to get close to it. I am not really equipped to handle it. I am sure that it does come and eat some of the food and water I leave out for "my" stray cats. But I only leave a small measured amount out so as to avoid possums-- I know the quantity of food I leave is not enough to feed all three of the cats my neighbor left. I don't think I can afford to feed them all.
I really wish there was a way to make the person who abandoned them to be held responsible for their care.

Info only · 1 year ago

Feeding stray cats contributes to the problem, does not fix it. And yes once an animal is trapped or under your care, you are responsible for it's care. You say you know where the previous owners might be, but you don't bother reporting that to animal control. Every stray animal is a concern for animal control, but the public also needs to understand that feeding the strays only brings more strays and unwanted wild life to the neighborhood. If you were told a time and animal control didn't meet it, shame on them. If you were treated disrespectfully and did not report it, shame on you. Things don't get better if you just mumble to yourself about the service you did or didn't receive. Speak up and do the right thing, first don't feed the strays anymore,2nd if you truly feel bad for the animals, you could trap them and bring them in. And if there is a known owner for an abandoned animal, report it, or nothing will change. When you trapped that animal you became involved. You can call and talk to a supervisor, tell them the time and date of the incident with the abusive officer and they can easily find out who it was. Remember one thing...we have one officer handling 5 cities, all expecting that one officer to take all the calls from the public that didn't get handled during the day, and then getting up to 15-30 calls a night on top of that! Police and Fire call for animal control to assist them and that same officer might work til 2:00am and be expected to return in the morning at 8:00am...Now you Veg are one of many who are not satisfied with the service from LBAC, what do you suggest we do to change it?

LB City Girl · 1 year ago

God, I can't believe I just sat here and read every one of these 517 posts, and after doing so I think the biggest problem with the LBAC is that it is understaffed and very poorly managed, in addition to the fact that the facilities are clearly not well maintained. I don't think throwing money at it is necessarily the solution, but dramatically increasing staffing is definitely in order. If some of the commenters above are LBAC staff members, then I can tell you from their writings that the caliber of some of them is obviously quite low.

After reading all these posts I am fairly certain it may have been LT Quigley herself that I spoke to at ten pm. I plan to review my calendar and see exactly what date this happened on. I will file a formal complaint on your advice. I didn't do it sooner because the way I was treated was downright harassing and I was quite afraid that the officer would abuse their power and somehow make my life miserable with legal action I don't feel I deserve, especially since all along I was following AC's advice on my stray cat problem. And I figured I'd just get blown off. If the officer I spoke to was any indication of the attitude I would encounter when I called to make my complaint, I didn't expect to be treated very well.

On your advice, I guess I will make a formal complaint about that neighbor who moved away leaving their cats, after all the whole situation is their fault to begin with.

And truthfully, I don't give a crap how many cities AC is handling it's a piss poor excuse to verbally abuse the public who calls in for help. I am not trained to deal with these feral animals, AC is. I haven't seen two of the strays the neighbor left in a couple weeks, maybe they have already died, or someone else took them in. As far as trapping them again, I will never trap an animal again. It was a horrible experience for me. I believe it is not my responsibility to trap and move an animal. I think this is AC's job. As an LB taxpayer, this is what I want them to do.

If LBAC can't handle covering 5 cities, then maybe it's time to tell the other 4 to create their own ACs, and our city should concentrate on doing a good job with our own animal problems. If our AC is spread too thin they obviously need to cut out some of the area they cover.

One more thought, why the hell are the dead animals kept around anyway? Wouldn't quickly cremating (like within 24-36 hours?) their remains be a fair more sanitary and sensible way to dispose of their bodies? It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to keep their carcasses for any length of time. I bet it even costs less than the power for a large walk-in freezer.

BTW, the stray I call "mine," I took it to the vet and had it examined when I decided I would feed it. I had it vaccinated, and discovered it was already fixed. I know feeding the strays contributes to the problem and that is exactly why I have tried not to feed the three cats my neighbor left behind. That is why I called AC in the first place. Fat lot of good it did me.

Hey Veg · 1 year ago

Hey Veg, in fact, those above responses sound a lot like Quigley, and probably are. And you are correct in that she is quite verbally abusive to EVERYONE but it is highly unlikely that she would have been working at 10:00 PM, that shift is for the lower class employees and she is to BIG to do so. I'm sure it was an over worked, over stressed, undertrained, frustrated "officer". There were many weak links in your whole situation, and you had far too much correct information to be fabricating it, now can you imagine working for/with these people. If, and you should, file a complaint. Make sure it personally gets to John or his supervisor at the health department. If Quigley gets it, it will surely be swept under, especially if it was her. Follow up, thats the only way to make change. You were not in the wrong. Your responsibility as the trapper was to ensure it was not being neglected (left in the sun) until it was picked up, it was not your fault AC didn't get there AT ALL. Let them try and take legal action, the city would be paying you out their A** for the harassment. They were wrong, not you. LB gets worse service than the other cities because LB makes money off of them. You are officially a low priority citizen just by living in LB. These are just residual effects of long time poor management, and yes, (from someone who knows), it's because of Quigley and her ego. God help us to not let her promote up to manager....come on people do something.

Oh, and for the solution monger. The animals will always filter in, we both know that. But how we treat THEM and others is within our control and you are failing miserably.

Veg, I can guarantee you one thing, and you may want to try this. Re-trap those cats and I bet you'd have an officer at your door immediately just to squelch your complaint . At least the cats would be taken care of. Call and talk to John personally. Good Luck.

#513-Nichole, if given the information, what are you going to do to make sure something gets done?? the last few articles did nothing, no other staffing changes have occurred. Can Vet Anim Lover contact you with all of her information and YOU investigate it and pursue change?? Just a thought.

LB City Girl · 1 year ago

"LB gets worse service than the other cities because LB makes money off of them."

It would be interesting to find out if the other cities feel like they are getting good service from LBAC.

...and thanks "Hey Veg" for your words of support.

Hey Veg · 1 year ago

Found this on the LB City Web Site

CITY OF LONG BEACH
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
7700 E. Spring St. * Long Beach, CA 90815 * (562) 570-7387 * FAX (562) 570-3053
Animal Control Division
Updated: June 2008


SUMMER 2008 SERVICE STANDARDS

Summer time is the busiest time of year and requires the efforts of the entire community to
keep the environment safe and healthy for people and animals alike. Long Beach Animal
Control will work hard with the community to maintain the following service standards:

Priority One Calls (immediate response within 60 minutes*)
Priority One Calls focus on public health, safety and wellbeing. Animal Control Officers
respond immediately (based on the order of calls for service) in the following areas:

• Bites: aggressive and dangerous dogs
• Injuries: injured animals (all animals)
• Dangerous Animals: wildlife and reptiles
• Cruelty: neglect of any animals in progress
• School Custody: custody of animals on school grounds

* Between the hours of 4:00 PM and Midnight (7-days a week) response for Priority One
Calls can vary between 60 and 90 minutes)

Priority Two Calls (response depends on the resolution of safety related calls)
Priority Two Calls include all non-critical and non-emergency situations. Animal Control
recommends that residents and customers transport the following categories of animal
during regular business hours*:

• Custody: trapped, stray or contained animal with no known owner
• Nuisance Wildlife: common wild animals (e.g. skunks, possum and raccoons)
• Dead: deceased animals in the public or private space
• Stray Dogs: non-aggressive loose dogs
• Owner Pick-up: any live or deceased animal

* Animal Control Officers will respond to extraordinary Priority Two Calls for service on a
case-by-case basis.

Priority Three Calls (consultation and complaints)
Priority Three Calls include non-critical, quality of life and neighborhood nuisance issues.
Animal Control Officers receive complaints and follow-up on investigations within 90 days
(excluding Priority One vicious animal and animal cruelty complaints):

• Chronic Stray: owners allowing dogs to stray repeatedly
• Barking: owners allowing dogs to bark incessantly
• Trap Pick-up: residents requesting trap-rental for self-service

Hey Veg · 1 year ago

Sorry, this is what I found it under. I guess this is considered notifying the public...

Field Services
Field Services operates a 24 hour/7-day a week program to impound stray and vicious animals, and provide emergency treatment to injured animals.

Beginning June 2008, emergency response will be focused on Priority One calls for service only. Please download the Summer 2008 Service Standards for more information.

Simone N. · 1 year ago

I keep reading about how overworked and short handed the staff at the Long Beach Shelter is. I was there a couple of years ago because a friend of mine was looking for a dog to adopt. I remember it was on a Sunday and there were quite a few people there. One guy was wandering around for a long time, probably about an hour. I thought maybe he was trying to decide which animal he wanted to adopt. He came over to me and started a conversation. He was very nice. He told me he worked there as a kennel attendant. I asked him if this was his day off since I didn't see him doing any work at all. He said no, he was working. Almost every cage had poop on the floor and the water bowls had "floaters" in them, bits of food and stuff. Most of the dogs didn't even have a blanket to lie on, just the cold floor or a metal platform. I don't know if this guy is still "working" there, but if he is a supervisor should get him to clean the cages and give the dogs some clean water. Maybe things are different now, but from what I've read here I don't think so. It was worse in the area where the dogs are scheduled to die.

ITS almost TIME · 1 year ago

Who is throwing a getting out party for Alexia in August?

How's the appeal coming along for the two ladies?

Does apbt need volunteers at her organization?

LB City Girl · 1 year ago

"Hey Veg" thanks for the info. I think I may have read that info when I first placed my call. Knowing my style I at least probably went to the website to get the phone number. In any case, given the extreme feral nature of the cat in question, I think my call was somewhere between priority 1 and 2.

One thing I found entertaining about the info is the mention of "wild animals" the LBAC claims responsibility for. I remember a year+ ago I discovered a Momma skunk had decided a flower pot in my back yard was a great place to have her babies. I called Ac to get them and they told me "We don't do skunks." They refused to come pick them up. And another time I found a hurt baby possom. They wouldn't come that time either.

And all the times in the last twenty years I've called for barking dogs to be rudely told call back during working hours.

It makes me wonder why we are even have an LBAC, maybe private enterprise would do a better job.

Nicole · 1 year ago

There are so many good comments on here, and I can tell that a lot of you really care about the animals, but if you work for Animal Control (or SPCA for that matter), the best way you can help is to talk to me (nicole@thedistrictweekly.com). It will make my upcoming articles so much better. Anonymity is totally fine, but I would really appreciate the help.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Hi Nicole, I don't work for A/C but I really hope initial source and others at LBAC get in touch with you. If you don't mind a suggestion for your stories, I would really like to hear what John Keisler has to say about the major allegations in some of these posts. I realize he is new to A/C, but he has had plenty of time to evaluate the overall operation of the shelter and to give the public and shelter employees an accounting of what is being done to improve things. Keisler has been silent, and I was expecting more from him. Can you get him to talk about some things?: Why were no criminal charges filed against Victor, the dog-strangler?; What is being done to properly train and staff the facility?; What changes are needed to insure that LBAC/SPCA/LA work in a co-operative manner for the benefit of animals?; What is the status of the independent investigation and what portion of this will be made public?; Why did Mr. Lopez fail to contact one of the employees as promised?

I'm not throwing Keisler to the wolves, but initial source has been the primary means for the general public to get information. This is an unfair burden to place on this person and we need to hear from Keisler. He's in charge and he needs to come forward with some answers.

Initial source, we may not agree 100% about everything, but you have my respect and admiration. I know what you are doing is very, very tough and now it's time for Keisler to step up to the plate.

Pat West's statements about "state-of-the-art shelter" ring hollow after reading the comments in The District Weekly.

Nicole · 1 year ago

I know a lot of you really care what happens to the animals, but this is not the place to help them. Do you know something that others should know about or do you work for animal control and want to change things? Talk to me: nicole@thedistrictweekly.com. Anonymity is fine; I just need some insider knowledge.

Nicole · 1 year ago

And thank you Wag the Dog, I'll see what I can do. Problem is, he's already said he can't answer a few of those questions, but I'll still see what I can do.

ITS almost TIME · 1 year ago

Have you checked out pet-abuse.com, nicole, for animal abuse stories. That should give you all the information you need to do a story on animal abuse.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Bless you for trying, Nicole. Maybe John Keisler can give us some direction as to who can address these issues. The buck has to stop somewhere.

On another subject, I am very grateful to the people at the DW for exposing LBAC/SPCA/LA. Without your willingness to print a story that goes against mainstream LB government, nothing would change.

I am also thankful that we have this forum to write about our concerns. My own belief is that the stronger members of our society have a duty to protect and assist the most vulnerable ones--children, elderly, disabled, and yes--animals. It takes many hands to make a better world, and for all of you who are doing something to help the needy ones among us, know that you are doing the most important work in the world. I can only hope that the city of Long Beach won't continue to ignore the conditions which generated this monumental discussion in the first place, but without the press in the leadership role, I'm afraid the plight of the animals will soon be forgotten.

initial source · 1 year ago

Don't worry Wag, Long Beach will not ignore the conditions. The only reason they have been able to get away with this is because the SPCA. LB's own governement refused to look into it because of them. There's some more slime to get rid of and as long as they are there, the animals have no chance.

initial source · 1 year ago

The fact is that there has to be a place for homeless, unwanted, sick, injured and abused animals to go. You can promote spay and neuter until your blue, but a shelter will always needed. There has to be a safe place for these animals to go. This is the fact and it will not change for a very long time. An animal shelter is suppose to help, not hurt. Take care of the animals we have and implement a free spay and neuter program in conjunction. There's your answer..... There's just one hitch, organization and understanding plays a big role. This shelter lack these 2 key things.

sam · 1 year ago

the end

initial source · 1 year ago

........and walk out of the movie halfway into it ?

The rest of the story might not be important to you, so shut your hole so others can enjoy.

I'm curious to see what NA has up their sleeve. A role not originally planned in all this, but it sure will be fun to watch.

P.S - Missed you!

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Initial source, you are correct. Sure there is a lull here now--the eye of the hurricane is calm.

Nicole, why don't you write a story about why you can't get a straight answer from LBAC. John Keisler is a nice man, but his "I dunno's" can only carry him so far. Now it's time for Keisler or Pat West to come forward with the findings from this mysterious "investigation" They promised a full investigation--so where are the facts?

initial source · 1 year ago

Wag, you are not going to be able to read the report, you will only get the City Managers report of that report. You can only imagine how that will be written.

Now...... if the city does not take the investigators recommendations seriously, you better believe that will piss the investigator off.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this is not the "full" investigation. They have not even done that yet. Are you surprised?

JK's " I Dunno's" are probably because he dunno yet. What he will get is filtered information anyway, kinda like the google orders. Sound like someone you know? The government is not the only one that pulls fraudulent crap like that.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

HI initial source. No I'm not surprised that if a report is ever made public it will be a sugar-coated version of what really goes on at the shelter. That's why I'm hoping the DW will not settle for this. Sometimes government stonewalling can make for a very interesting read--why don't we have answers? We have plenty of questions.

Initial source, you are the only one who has given us any solid info--but I'd really like to hear from LBAC management. I'm pinning my hopes on the DW.

Initial source, you are the last man (or woman) standing, and I thank you for all you are doing for our furry friends.

initial source · 1 year ago

With your help Wag, thanks go out to you too.

It may appear that I am the only one standing, but there are plenty of others reading this. They are afraid to post or help out, I really don't blame them. That is is the one of the real issues right now.

Stay here with me and you may get the "soild" info that you want. I can tell you that management will not give it to you. The DW is your only hope.

Please continue harrassing and demanding information from Long Beach. It will help the animals and the cause, even if you are not given the answers that you want. The answers that we all want.

I want ":solid" info from the SPCA. You think I'll get it?

To: Wag · 1 year ago

Hi Wag,

In #527 you asked if charges were filed on the "Dog Strangler".
Well, no not yet and it doesn't look like they will pursue it. You want to know why?
This "Dog Strangler" was in the process of being fired at the time of the incident, only he didn't know it. His supervisor was well aware of this and wanted him gone. Maybe this was the reason he watched him struggle and did nothing.
Charges should be filed on him because he is the training officer and he is morally obligated to help. Think what you want, but why did the city initally put blame on someone and not follow through on it? It is because he is innocent. His supervisor resigned for unrelated reasons.

You be the judge.

Who is Mr. Lopez?

to wags wag · 1 year ago

#540. the "dog strangler", did not know what was about to happen, but those conspiring against him did and it was all part of their dishonest actions. They are trying to "hush" the investigation because it is pointing back at them (mgmt). They had gotten used to not being held accountable for their actions. there IS more truth to come out, and it will. Everything is steeping right now at the Village, it will then come to a rolling boil. so it's kind of a waiting game that we are all watching (were not allowed to "talk", they say big brother is watching) Well, too little too late, you are watching the wrong people. How many involved in "stranglers" firing process have left the city, lets count, 1 (WM), 2 (HD), 3 (SP)..we are still waiting on the 4th (MQ, the master mind, bet she likes that one) and even someone from the Spca is involved. One of the main characters ran off to Irvine as soon as she could, burned too many bridges after flirting no longer got her anywhere. Big Red placated to a specific "female" supervisor and just acted like a stripper with the guys, not to mention her extramarital affairs, one with a co-worker (guess they both liked snakes) We are glad she is gone, what a whiney trouble maker. Why isn't anyone saying anything about what she did, it is part of the issues. she was a real "hot mess". I Hope (lol) she gets her ass sued off. She has lied and gotten so many people fired with all of her drama (shall we count again, oops, out of fingers)I think she started getting off on it all. I'll testify to what I saw her doing with the guys and her inappropriate attire and touching and flirting and filthy mouth. I guess it's ok when a girl does it. Double standard, that's Moor's and Quigley's mantra. Ask C. Macy what happened when he cussed.....Red was responsible for that one too. God what an evil person, guess she fit right in with her mgmt friends. Anyone who associates with her is a b***c like her.....I would have turned her in myself if I had known that she was going to go around a ruin people's lives. STAY AWAY short buss!!! I can still turn you in, bet the strangler would love to know what I know. You will pay along with the rest, all the stories tie in to you too (pointing finger)

R U kidding me · 1 year ago

Did you see this joke!!! You know Quigley called him and asked him to write this in the Press Telegram letters to the Editor. Always has to lie to get good publicity. Everyone who knows the truth (that's you LBAC) needs to write this guy and tell him the truth. She killed these cats. The owners got 3 cats back to keep them quiet about the 70 she illegally killed. Look at the previous posts. Why isn't this being investigated. Maybe it is, that's why she called him now, after all these months, to ask for a media-whore favor. Well it won't work, we are going to put the truth out and let them request the info themselves. Writing on the records now and lying and falsifying the records is a crime, FYI, but still not beneath you to try (sorry, now you'll have to run back and erase what you illegally wrote) PS. don't use white out, it's obvious

So check this out then go and answer him back in the PT, always printing fluff bull s**t. Hey DW, why don 't you put the real story out. I bet initial source knows a lot, as do others. Hayden Violators!!!!!

"Team effort

As an employee of Mental Health America of Long Beach, whose mission is to improve the quality of life of mentally ill residents in Long Beach, it gives me great motivation just knowing that other agencies in our community are willing to help us.

One of our council members notified our office that a member of our community needed our services. Part of their issue included the care of about 70 cats, which they were housing in their two-bedroom apartment. The Long Beach Animal Control Center found new homes for the animals and instructed the original owners in proper cat care.

As a result, a limited number of cats were reunited with their original owners. Kudos to Lt. Michelle Quigley and her assistant, Susana Delima, who were instrumental in finding a win/win solution.

Herb R. Limoges

MHA Village Services coordinator

Long Beach"

So are the employees that were hired to do breeding enforcement now her personal assistants???? Long Beach dollars wasted again, get rid of that program for crying out loud, they clearly are using all the resources for other things. Theft of city money....again.

what · 1 year ago

here are a few recent situations (emergency services) that LB Animal Control failed to respond to in a timely manner, or at all. We are now paying PD and Fire to do their jobs, what is going on over there?? We want some answers!! And what are all of these "on scene video crews", is that city dollars at "work" again? Come on Pat West, enough is enough. Read on citizens:

LONG BEACH - Long Beach firefighters today rescued a horse whose head became pinned under a metal fence at a Long Beach ranch, but the animal continued showing signs of illness, authorities said.

Firefighters were dispatched to the Carter's Rivertrail Ranch at Del Amo Boulevard and the Long Beach (710) Freeway around 12:40 a.m. after a man caring for a horse noticed another horse had its head stuck under a metal rail in a nearby stall, Long Beach Fire Department Capt. Robbie Grego said.

Arriving firefighters found the animal on its side and in distress, its head and neck under a railing in a pen where another horse was being kept, Grego said.

Declining to use an electrical saw, which would have startled the animal, firefighters used a hacksaw to cut the bottom of the railing, freeing the animal some 10 minutes after reaching the scene, he said.

Once the horse was freed, it remained on its side, refusing to rise, he said, adding that the animal seemed to be ill and in shock.

The eyes of the dark brown full-size horse looked glassy, and the animal stirred little, though it was breathing, an On Scene Video camera crew reported.

"We're trying to locate the owner of the ranch," Grego said. "There is no owner on the scene."

Grego said the fire department notified animal control officers of the incident and was trying to contact a veterinarian to assist the horse because it seemed to be sick and in distress. He said

he had been told the animal had been displaying signs of illness for a couple of days.
The noise and bustle that occurred when the trapped horse was being freed riled up horses in nearby stables, causing them to move around restlessly, Grego said. He said the ranch houses hundreds of horses and has been in Long Beach for at least 30 years.
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LONG BEACH - A Long Beach woman was hospitalized with dog bites to her arms and hands early today after trying to break up a fight between her two pit bulls, who in turn attacked her, authorities said.

The incident occurred at the woman's home in the 600 block of Orizaba Ave., around 11 p.m. Monday, according to a Long Beach police officer.

The pit bulls began fighting in the rear of the home, and the victim was trying to pull the two dogs apart, when the pair suddenly turned on her, Long Beach police Lt. Max Jones told reporters at the scene.

The woman was taken to a hospital with bite lacerations to her arms and hands, Jones said. Her condition was not immediately known.

Long Beach Animal Control personnel arrived at the scene following the attacks, and took the two dogs away from the home, according to an On Scene Video camera crew

initial source · 1 year ago

It has got to be a sick joke???????? If not, how can he not know. It was all over the papers.


Seventy-three cats had already been euthanized already because the Hills had told Animal Control that they knew the cats were ill and didn't want them to suffer.

"They wanted to see them humanely put down," Quigley said.

The cats were thin and dehydrated, with various stages of respiratory diseases and skin diseases that would have required extensive medical care.

achoo · 1 year ago

this is the firs time we have heard "extensive medical care". thought they just had a little kitty cold. Should they have been treated or not, were laws broken? This is just more confusing information. who diagnosed the cats?? Were they suffering???

Hanna · 1 year ago

regarding the above letter to editor:

"The Long Beach Animal Control Center found new homes for the animals and instructed the original owners in proper cat care."

Well, we already know the true fate of these animals, regardless if it was performed within the legal boundaries or not. Regarding instructing the owners on proper cat care. Who was qualified to do this, certainly not anyone at Animal Control, and I hope that it is not what they are suggesting. Animal Hoarders need extensive psychiatric help for their disorder and even then it is quite common for their condition to resurface and they fall right back into old habits. Quite frankly, they should not be allowed to have any pets until their mental illness is delt with.

My question is to Mr.Herb R. Limoges, MHA Village Services coordinator. You are the Mental Health professional, did these women receive proper evaluation and care. Are they "cured"? I highly doubt it as it is a long and grueling process, and the women are homeless. the initial raid was not appropriate for dealing with a horder, of any type. Removing all of their prized belongings (the cats) all at once sends the patient into a spiral nose dive. How can these women possible be able to care for the couple of cats they got back? Do they cart them around in a basket or something.

Even if they find an established residence to live in they will start getting kitties from the neighborhood and soon everyone gets to do it all over again. Lets just hope it's done right this time and the cats don't have to die for it and the women get "real" help from a qualified professional.

Hanna

Ex ACO · 1 year ago

Hey # 543, at least PD and Fire are showing up. It used to be that you couldn't get LB Fire out to even assist with an animal in distress, we were always told "We don't do that". So that horse would have layed out there stuck for god knows how long, the ACO didn't even respond, probably taking a nap on the couch. I want their name and number.

The LB Police were always pretty good about coming out, especially if it gave them an opportunity to shoot a Pit Bull, that is their favorite past time.

to es · 1 year ago

???

from the PT comments · 1 year ago

Mario
Glendale Heights, IL
Reply #7 1 hr ago

If Mr. Limoges' letter to the editor referred to the 80 cats seized by LBAC in August 2007, then I find his remarks bizarre and inaccurate.It is improper for Mr. Limoges to make public comments about a resident of the mental health facility where he works. He should respect privacy rights. For Mr. Limoges to write that "The Long Beach Animal Control Center found new homes for the animals" is highly misleading. Only two of the cats were saved--the rest were killed the same day as they were seized, yet Mr. Limoges describes the outcome as a "win/win" situation. Tell that to the cats who were killed, in violation of the Hayden act. The cats did not even have the benefit of a veterinary exam before being killed.

Another comment that I find dubious is "a limited number of cats were reunited with their original owner" How does Mr. Limoges know this? The 2 cats spared from euthanasia were reportedly taken to the SPCA/LA side of the shelter. How did Mr. Limoges gain access to their adoption records? I hope Mr. Limoges got permission from the "original owner" to print this private information

******Mario, I'm sure this (private) information came directly from Quigley, try to e-mail them and ask them yourself******

from the PT comments · 1 year ago

Mr. Limoges:
hlimoges@mhala.org

His boss:
marthalong@village-isa.org

Quigley:
michelle_quigley@longbeach.gov

Her boss:
ron_arias@longbeach.gov

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Hi backatcha, #540. Sorry for the delay. In your post 540 you asked the question: "Who is Mr. Lopez?" The name Lopez came up in Post 510 written by "Info Only". Lopez is part of the investigation team and was supposed to contact "Info Only", except that he has not done so. Why he hasn't contacted "Info Only" is one of the hundreds of questions that have gone unanswered. I'm hoping Nicole will dig around a little and let us know what happening with this "investigation" Three months into this and still not a word from City Hall. Nice work, Pat West.

AC comments · 1 year ago

Nicole, the PT put out two fluff pieces in as many days, well, in the past few days anyway. Where is the real story, it seems to be here. Have you spoken to anyone of authority at AC regarding these issues? How about calling another press conference. Heather Reagar got a lot of info from several people before they put a squelch on everyone, can you get any of that? Might be a starting place. Or how about the story about post #542. I read the previous posts, just like everyone else, and the confirmation from LBAC employees. the PT letter is a blatant lie. I am sure Quigley lied to him though, that's her MO. Have you called Quigley yet??? (that should be fun for you) then call Culhno for the real story. It certainly was not Quigley that put the truth out about previous issues, and she had plenty in her arsenal prior to Culhno's report. She didn't want to taint her image so she did nothing. Someone should tell her that it's too late......taint it?
Better yet, why don't we all start calling her and asking for the truth, though we know we won't get it, at least we get to watch her squirm.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

Great post, AC comments, Officer Q won't talk to the DW. She only talks to her pals at the (gag) Press Telegram and (double gag) Long Beach Post. Officer Quigley will pose for Long Beach Post and PT, but she won't answer LB Reports or the DW.

The mental health guy should never have written that letter--very poor judgment on his part. It's a reporter's job to uncover the news, but a mental health worker has a duty to protect the privacy of his clients.

I'm still praying for our 21st Century version of Edward R. Murrow.

"Good Night and Good Luck!"

AC comments · 1 year ago

Oh, the good o'l days of listening to broadcast journalism, huh Wag? Q may, (sorry) will not, talk to any reporters with the directness of Murrow. She goes with the fluff, coverup, coverage. She has bought into the same belief system as corporate american media, that the general public is uneducated and can be manipulated into what to believe. Cream rises to the top. Her oily (crude) character does not mix well and will soon separate her from her from the others, and her job.

AC comments · 1 year ago

sorry, didn't mean to stutter there at the end.

666 · 1 year ago

A funny thing happened on the way to Quigley's birthday a couple of years ago. it was 6-7-06. I had an epiphany, she was born on the wrong day (one day late) or on the wrong end of the earth. It was as close to Hell as one can get, Jersey. she dons the mark of satin. 666

initial source · 1 year ago

How can someone with a mental illness make a sane decision?

This would be the same as giving an alcoholic a bottle of booze for Christmas.

The cats were not properly diagnosed AND they were considered "suffering" by some people that are not legally permitted to make that decision.

The cats were said to be "suffering" by the insane owners and MQ.

Who is the only one qualified to make that decision?

A Vet would be the answer and the shelter did not have one. Don't think for a minute that AC sent all those cats to the vet for evaluation and diagnoses before they killed them.

Mickey Dee's is calling · 1 year ago

People can walk through that door everyday and demand their animals be put down immediately, sane or not, and the law would still not allow it. No, folks, not even the animal owner can make that decision in a shelter system, only at a Veterinarian's office. So only a Vet can make that decision, not two crazy o'l gals that were just doing what Quigley said so they wouldn't go to jail. She intimidated those poor o'l gals, but she knew it still was not enough to have legal rights to kill them so she diagnosed them herself, doctored up the forms then ordered staff to cary out the deed to keep the blood off of her hands. This is not an isolated incident, she makes up "her" rules as she sees fit. She has quite a reputation in the Spca grape vine.

I'm not sure where her ego came from. She was an isolated and abused child, a social leper, unpopular, kind of funny looking and no special talent (just like the LB Spca manager!!). In high school the girls beat her up every day and stole her chocolate milk. That explains the stunted growth and extreme anger, but not the ego. Someone must be lying to her about her looks.

The only thing she accomplished in her entire life was becoming a dog catcher (this is where you praise and stroke her) Any one of us can do that with one arm and a lobotomy. (You can win the race in the special olympics, but you are still a retard) Stop praising and stroking now. Have you seen the Dog Catcher Bell Curve??? Look at the piece of work they had managing that place. Not much of a crop to pick from, and here they go again. To be left with another clueless, inept, sub standard Poodle Pouncer. Grab an extinguisher and put her fire out! I think it's time to put a high ranking police officer in there. At least he would know the law and have the spine that shelter has never seen.

alright already · 1 year ago

#558 Not anyone can be a Animal Control Officer, you are very insulting to those of us who have picked this career. Why even use the word "dog catcher"! We do alot of things, rescue injured and abused animals. Pick up abandoned dog's and cats left behind by their owners because they lost their homes due to foreclosures. The mail carriers call everyday to report stray and aggressive animals. Because fisherman are irresponsible, we are called to rescue beautiful sea birds with fish hooks and line entangeled so bad they can not survive. We are out at car accidents helping victims with the animals riding with them, we go into the most gang infested areas late at night,dark alleys looking for that suffering animal at 3:00am. We are asked to write reports and testify in court to speak for those who can't and because of the way the justice system is set up, the punishment often doesn't suit the crime.We get calls from the public wanting us to eradicate the coyotes because they defecate and ruin their beautiful lawns.When you are asked to face a vicious dog and capture it with nothing but a long pole and a noose, and not get hurt that is a skill. We do so many things and it is just a shame that you have to call us "dog catchers". Every one in the public complains about response times, yes if we had emergency lights and sirens and the same authority as police and fire, maybe we could up that response time. But we don't and we do the best we can. So Micky Dee I'm curious if you use the old word "pigs" when refering to police, it's as old as the dog catcher phrase.

Wag the Dog · 1 year ago

To posters 558 and 559: I think that any caring person who works for an animal shelter has one of the hardest and most heartbreaking jobs around. The ones who don't care can take the suffering and fear in stride, and never think about it twice. On the other hand, I have known ACO's who were kind, dedicated, smart and sensitive people. They faced the daily horrors of their job with the same grace and compassion as a pediatric oncology doctor who has to deal with a dying child and a terror-stricken family.

The problem is that when there a few bad apples in the barrel, it reflects badly on those of you who are doing the best possible job under very difficult circumstances. In my heart I don't think Mickey Dees was trying to disparage the entire group of A/C officers; rather, this person was pointing to a single individual who really needs to find a different career. We all know who this person is. Sometimes authoritarian personalities can arise from the very conditions outlined in post 558. It is easy to take out anger and frustration on those who have no rights, no recourse, and no hope; namely impounded animals. Perhaps this is why cats are killed so readily at LBAC. By temperment they are not going to grovel before anyone. This does not appeal to the authoritarian type, who is much more receptive to the more ingratiating behavior of many dogs. Things won't get better until this person realizes that she is not doing herself or the animals any favors by remaining in her chosen line of work.

I am beginning to think that John Keisler is a weenie, a la Wesley Moore.

Also, what is Roger doing? Taking orders from Officer Q?

initial source · 1 year ago

The investigators report is done and it is in the city's hands now.

#559 describes the stressful and busy job of an ACO. These people have a hard job and rarely get the respect that they deserve. LB Animal Control covers a large area, the ACO's are overworked and have to rush through their calls because there are not enough of them.

The Answer:
* Increase the number of qualified ACO's at the shelter
* Train them properly
* Treat them with respect so they stay

fond of hounds · 1 year ago

Well, Ms. Q is taking a Vaca, nice to know she cares about the animals enough to leave the country, right when they are going to announce that she is the one guilty in the investigation. I'm placing bets now that she becomes "shark chum" in Mexico. God we are hoping she looses her passport and the federals cart her off to mexican prison so she can feel how the dogs at the shelter feel. They are leaving Dumb and Dumber (not as dumb) in charge of the LB side. No experience, no education, lazy, short cut takers. Nothings changed, good job! Still the good o'l boys club. At least they are now picking employees that actually DO sleep with everyone at the shelter. Kudos' !!

So, when do we get to actually see the investigation. Is Q really NOT coming back???

Info only · 1 year ago

The POOP SCOOP IS..BUSINESS AS USUAL, NO INVESTIGATION, NO MR. LOPEZ, NO NOTHING. WE ALL HAVE BEEN LIED TO.

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readytoexpose · 1 year ago

Weak Economy Tough On Pets, Too





By Carla M. Collado
Staff Writer

For those who think the poor economy is only affecting people, think again. In a news release sent out last week, the spcaLA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Los Angeles) said it is overwhelmed with animals that have been abandoned by their owners due to money woes. That, combined with currently low adoptions rates, does not spell a good situation for pets.

Recent data from Long Beach’s Animal Care Services Bureau shows the shelter is facing similar challenges. Compared to the same time last year, data shows that from May through July 2008, there’s been a 5.4% increase in the total number of animals entering the shelter, according to John Keisler, acting business manager for Animal Care Services.

Though that’s not a big increase, he pointed out that the number of people who’ve dropped off animals during those months claiming they are strays (and not theirs) has risen — 37.6% for cats and 27.8% for dogs.

“More people are not claiming responsibility at all, they’re claiming it’s a stray,” Keisler said.

Of those who do admit that it’s their pet, many claim that financial hardships have made it hard to keep their animals, he said. Keisler explained that shelter staff members make sure to remind people that pet ownership is a responsibility and to consider the costs of caring for a pet before adopting one.

“Times are tough right now, but the pets are not expendable,” he said. “Ultimately, they need to try and stick it out…. We’re not their first option, we should be their last.”

Keisler also noted that adoptions have been dropping since May, with July being the worst month so far.

In July, a total of 1,685 dogs, cats and wildlife (including dead ones) entered the shelter, but only 379 animals were adopted out (either given to the spcaLA, redeemed or “other”), he said.

“Just because you drop them off here doesn’t mean they’re going to be able find a home somewhere else,” Keisler reminded pet owners.

With more animals coming into Animal Care Services, the shelter also faces capacity problems.

The shelter tries to house 190 animals daily, but that number tends to fluctuate (one day last week it peaked at 275), Keisler said.

Limiting the number of animals housed at once helps shelter staff maintain a healthy animal population, he said.

“It puts a lot of pressure on us if people are not spaying and neutering their cats,” he said, pointing out that on any given day, more than 50% of the animals at the shelter are cats. “We have limited capacity…. We want to make sure the population we do have here is healthy.”

In its news release, the spcaLA stressed its need for more financial support and foster volunteers to offset the influx of animals in its care. The nonprofit also advised pet owners who are hurting financially to consider looking for rental properties that allow animals and to ask friends and relatives to care for their pets temporarily.

For more information, visit www.longbeach.gov/acs or visit www.spcala.com.

readytoexpose · 1 year ago

Animal Control Makes Changes, Investigations Ongoing





By Carla M. Collado
Staff Writer

Roughly two months after investigations began into two botched animal euthanasias and into operations at Long Beach Animal Control, the facility’s management has implemented several changes and plans to launch a revamped Web site to offer more transparency to the public.

Former Animal Control manager Roger Hatakeyama continues to work as part-time manager after Wesley Moore resigned from the position on April 7. Earlier that month, an e-mail was leaked to the media concerning an incident on March 13 in which Animal Control employees mishandled the euthanising of a pit bull. Reports of a second incident involving a feral cat later surfaced.

John Keisler, acting business manager at Animal Control, said an outside firm has been conducting an independent investigation into the pit bull incident, interviewing all of the staff involved. (He said some of those staff members no longer work for the city, but declined to comment on whether they were fired.) He said the final reports are still a few weeks away.

Keisler and Hatakeyama also have talked to all Animal Control employees to try to get a sense of operations there and to form their own recommendations on how things can be improved.

“It’s been a challenge, but also a good process for us to do an exhaustive, comprehensive analysis,” Keisler said.

One of the main things they have heard, not only from Animal Control staff but also residents and outside community members, is that the public does not have enough information available to them on what goes on at the facility, he explained. He said many people are confused as to what Animal Control and the spcaLA — which shares its P.D. Pitchford Companion Animal Village at the facility — each are responsible for.

In response, Keisler said the shelter is overhauling its Web site and plans to launch the new one by next week. The goal is to make it a one-stop shop for answers to frequently-asked questions, information on stray and lost animals and animals up for adoption, statistics, information on adoption programs through outside rescue groups and tips on how to be responsible pet owners, among other things.

“We looked at it and we said, ‘We can do better’,” Keisler said of the Web site.

Other immediate actions Animal Control has taken to improve operations include: securing its vet premise permit from the state to allow an on-site veterinarian; contracting with local veterinarians, including Dr. Lauren Eslinger of Belmont Shore; beginning the process of hiring a vet technician for support; and improving internal communications and training through regular weekly staff meetings.

The shelter’s staff also has met with community groups such as Friends of Long Beach Animals, the Greater Long Beach Coalition for Humane Animal Care, the local board of health and animal advocates like Justin Rudd, to discuss best practices. Keisler said he thinks that a combination of launching the new Web site and starting to have monthly meetings with community groups will help increase animal adoptions and decrease the number of euthanasias.

He said Animal Control staff morale hits a new low every time they see the number of animals that come through the facility.

“We need more help with spaying and neutering and adoptions,” Keisler said. “We’re still euthanizing too many animals…. It doesn’t have to be that way.”

Meanwhile, City Manager Pat West has started the process of hiring a new full-time manager for Animal Control, something that will take several months, Keisler explained. He said they are trying to get feedback from the community on where they can find good candidates for the position.

readytoexpose · 1 year ago

Where are the new story's? The Gazette has a couple. Why can we not post????

?????? · 1 year ago

hellooooooooooooo

karen · 1 year ago

where are all the comments regarding LBAC

skywalker ranch · 1 year ago

QUIGLEY needs to be fired, 5 months is not a temporary job.

initialsource · 10 months ago

Long Beach Animal Care Services “Pre-selects” Job Candidates

This is a violation of Civil Codes, City Charters, Civil Service Procedures, union MOU’s and most importantly…..your trust.


The City of Long Beach recently opened up a job titled “Public Health Professional II”. We bet you knew it was a job with Animal Control just by its name, right? NOT!!!! This strange position was written by the new manager at Animal Care Services, for a Lieutenant at Animal Care Services. This is what the city likes to call “Selective Certification”. This person is the only city employee who is qualified for this position. They are the only person who has experience in all the areas that this position requires. Other animal control employees probably did not apply because they knew they would have no chance in the world. They might be afraid someone might retaliate against them.

Considering that you have been forced to swallow that there are not enough officer’s in the field, would you be happy to hear it took three positions to create this one? Three vacant positions that, by the way, there are 2 current Animal Care Service Employees on the eligible list now! They have no idea why the positions got CUT!!!

We can prove that Long Beach Civil Service, Long Beach Health & Human Services and certain people at Long Beach Animal Care Services are attempting to select a certain candidate for this position before they posted the job bulletin.
This is illegal!

1. Non-Traditional, uncommon and hard to find title for this position. People with any kind of animal experience would not look under “Public Health Professional II” to look for a job with Animal Services.


2. A new position was created so job interest emails would not go out to people requesting “email me if jobs like this become available”. There will be no one interested, there never was a position classified like this before. The only people that would be emailed for this position would be people who are interested in public health jobs. Here’s something interesting – The candidate’s title will really be “Animal Care Program Coordinator”, not “Public Health Professional II”. Look at the application. They gave it an unrelated title so no one would find it, but the actual and more related title is more what a potential and qualified applicant might look under or recognize. This position has very little to do with “Public Health”, its “Animal Health” of “Animal Care” related.


3. Recruitment to other animal control agencies outside the City of Long Beach was not properly performed. Job bulletins were not sent to locations where qualified people work in the surrounding areas. Libraries do not count. The city’s recruitment consisted of putting a bulletin on the city’s website that would never been found by an interested or qualified applicant.


4. Current employees are not eligible. Whoever strategically put this bulletin together knew what they were doing. They picked all of the job requirements that only one person within the City of Long Beach would be eligible/qualified, it was given a non-traditional classification and they made sure no one at other animal control agencies in the area would even consider themselves for the position. If there was another Long Beach Animal Care Services employee eligible, they would be afraid to apply because of possible retaliation. They wouldn’t have a chance. This is just a formality or shall we say, a small hoop that Animal Care Services must jump through due to Civil Service Regulations.


Read the qualifications for this position. Who in the world has experience in all of this at Long Beach Animal Care Services? This is the same person that has made sure they are in control of every aspect of this shelter. I doubt there are too many other people outside this department that would be qualified except the few people that have been in charge of an animal shelter. These qualifications are of a higher expectation than those of the new manager.


Selective hiring like this is illegal and wrong for many reasons. It runs along the same concept as selective breeding in animals.

This is how:

If you use the same gene pool in any species, your offspring are born with the same problems, they tend to have the same characteristics and traits and there is not much variety. Now, use that bit of information when you think about selective hiring. The same type of “selected” employees tend to have the same selective nature, the same color, the same answers, the same resolutions and the same view of the workplace and the world for that matter. These selective people are able to select other selective people and so on and so on. You can compare it to Bulldogs with breathing problems and Rottweilers with Hip Dysplasia.
Narrow gene pools!!!!!!

Not much variety at “The Village” and selective hiring is how you get a 75-80% white workplace in Southern California.


If you doubt anything that is written here, come back in a few weeks and find out who actually landed the job. We know and it’s not because we are psychic.


Below is from the Union MOU.

Is this equal opportunity for advancement? Did they seek dissemination of notices of such vacancies?

Section IV – Selection Criteria for Graded Positions

It is understood that there exists distinguishing characteristics between graded levels
within classifications.
It is also recognized that selection criteria utilized for the selection
of individuals to these graded levels may vary throughout the City.
In order to promote
equal opportunity for advancement, the City and the Union agree to work together in an
attempt to correct any deficiencies in the selection process on an on-going basis, and to
seek dissemination of notices of such vacancies, when appropriate


Below is right from the Long Beach Civil Service Website

NON-DISCRIMINATION

Sec. 2.
Pursuant to Section 1104 of the City Charter, no person employed by or applying for
employment with the City shall be hired, promoted, demoted, dismissed, or in any way favored
or discriminated against for any reason

Service Commission adopts and subscribes to the City's Policy on Affirmative Action listed at the
beginning of these Rules.


Mission Statement

The Civil Service Department treats all customers with integrity, courtesy and respect, and provides quality candidates that reflect our diverse community through a fair and timely employment process.



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RBJ · 9 months ago

This entire process is just hoops that the hiring department has to jump through to make it appear to be equal opportunity. They are obligated to interview all candidates and create a disposition indicating why he/she was not selected. That can be as easy as "lack of knowledge" in their opinion. Then select your pre-selected candidate and that’s what you call equal opportunity, get it.