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  Andy

  1 year ago

  "562 No Hos in this area code?" Jeez, if your chant isn't factually accurate, it better rhyme.
  
  How about: "2-4-6-8, Men should try and ovulate!"
  
  Life is so much easier as a guy...
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  Lady Madonna

  1 year ago

  The reason the sign said "no hoes in this area code" is because Luda has a song that says "I got hoes in different area codes". We were protesting his use of the word "hoes" instead pf women and also letting him know that our area code, (562) ARE NOT his "hoes".
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  Yes, I know 'bout the lyrics, but thanks for the explanation, Giggles.
  
  The reason I said “Giggles” is because The Simpson's have a scene where the boss says “Hey, Giggles, back that gorgeous butt in here”. They are making fun of use of the word “Giggles” instead of a respectful term and also letting you know that they are making fun of traditional sexually offensive behavior.
  
  See? Some of us don't actually absorb everything we hear into literal behavior.
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  Lady Madonna

  1 year ago

  The idea isn't necessarily turning violent lyrics into violence. Sometimes one decides however, not to support it by participating/recreating it, even when done ironically.
  
  "Faggot", "hoe", and "whore", all words used by Ludacris, are not just words, they are tactics of keeping entire groups of people down, making them dismissable and easier to hurt, physically and otherwise. Another word he uses, "pimp", may be used today in different ways then its literal meaning, but it carries the violence and misogyny regardless. We must remember, pimps are rapists. They are batterers. Exploiters of women. Let us not participate in his uneducated, hateful speech, especially that in which he speaks about hitting women with cars, and putting them "six feet deep." We once dismissed racial slurs, "kike", "wetback", "chink", as just words. But we know that those words were intended to hurt us, not just in personal, "you hurt my feelings" kind of ways, but in huger oppressive and hateful ways.
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  Look, I agree that being us straight, white males have it pretty easy this country, and you certainly should be vocal about things that are intolerant, but it's coming from a dude named "Ludacris' and you're probably not the target audience. Yes, they are ugly terms, but these are lyrics, not political platforms. I'm smart enough to understand the difference (and please don't tell me it's about impressionable youth).
  
  So, definitely, keep speaking out, but I really object to your patronizing tone that tells me what to "participate in". I sure don't want a world with nothng but Kenny G songs and Disney films.
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  JTMAG1

  1 year ago

  Thank you for proving Mr. Bridges's point. You sling insults at him, like uneducated, because he is a hip-artist, so automatically he can't be intelligent. If you took two seconds to learn about the person you were protesting against, you would know that he is a graduate of Georgia State University. You'd also see that he's done more philanthropic work than each of you protestors put together.
  
  There are definitly artists who say things in their music that I disagree with, and you know what I do to them? I don't listen to their music... I definitlyl don't go out to give them more free publicity.
  
  Furthermore, just to be clear. Andy is right. There are hoes in the 562 area code, tons of them.
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  Stargate Lover!

  1 year ago

  JTMAG1! OMG! From the Stargate Archives? (http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?show...)
  
  I did a little 2 second research on you and found out you live on the internet. Most guys who live on the internet love hoes. They sometimes really depend on their services. And this is something that is illegal (except in those shady areas of Nevada, which I'm sure you know all about since you know all about the whereabouts of the 562 ones). I'm glad you care about philanthropic work because yours amounts to posting opinions about the zune. Really? Zune? ( http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/hack-support/1... ). You gotta be pretty helpless to own a zune. Zunes can't even touch the ipod.
  
  But please don't prove your own point by replying to me because I just want a little cheap free publicity on this website at your expense.
  
  Furthermore, just to be clear. Posting comments that attacks protesters online is the online equivalent to a counter-protest.
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  Lady Madonna

  1 year ago

  Really original Andy and JTMAG. Criticism of activism. I'm not sure if you men realize how change happens, but it starts with mobilizing, something that is easy to criticize but hard to do. And what, if anything, do you stand for? Maybe if Luda was talking about hitting straight white men with cars you would be more outraged.
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  anon

  1 year ago

  Impressionable youth? I observed the cutest 4yo girl dancing and singing the words to that Soulah Boy song "superman that ho."
  
  "Hip-hop is a coded language—so it’s not for everybody to understand. All I’m doing is being honest and talking about living life." Please tell me where to find the secret hip-hop decoder ring so that I can understand the real meaning of the lyrics.
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  Lets see....checking to see where I criticized activism..hmmm, nope don't see it. But I am challenging your premise on telling me what I should/should not listen to.
  
  And where do you get off saying that us "men" don't understand that mobilizing is part of activism. I guess I should just stick to football, porn, and beer. Is this what "women's studies" is about? Making absurd generalizations about men? I guess my penis prevents me from empathizing with women's victimization. Growing up with a single working Mom has told me more about that than you'll ever learn in a semester of essays.
  
  And, yes, kids hear things they shouldn't, but the question is what would you do if it was your kid?
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  erin

  1 year ago

  for those who are anti-protestor (at least in this instance)
  Why are you so invested in attacking the individual character of those who protested? It was a peaceful demonstration that was intended to provoke thought amongst those who were attending. Obviously there are many people who brushed the protesters off, but there were also many people who were curious to see what the various messages were on the signs. no harm, no foul.
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  erin m

  1 year ago

  research* has found that sexualized imagery of women in popular culture, specifically gangster rap lyrics, DOES have an effect on attitudes about the adversarial character of sexual relationships and on students willingness to accept interpersonal violence and to believe myths about rape. many of these studies were done on college campuses- the location of the ludacris concert.
  
  secondly, to acknowledge that the lyrics are wrong but not "political" is absurd. it is these very same lyrics and pop culture propaganda that lay the foundation for the misogynistic, homophobic, racist, sexist, etc tendencies that are commonly reflected in both behavior and moral sentiment in contemporary society.
  
  although i did not attend i fully support the intentions and protests in full.
  
  *Kalof, Linda. 1999. "the Effects of Gender and Music Video Imagery on Sexual Attitudes". Journal of Social Psychology 139 (June): 378-385.
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  You're not fully quoting your research, as stated in the very same article, these attitudes were NOT changed long-term, nor did they form the basis for any fundamental belief transitions.
  
  As long as you don't advocate censoring or banning any form of expression, I've got no problem with your protest. But don't tell me I'm not 'enlightened' if I want to see Ludacris or watch an adult video.
  
  *Linda Kalof, "The Effects of Gender and Music Video Imagery on Sexual Attitudes," J. Social Psych. 378 (1999)
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  JTMAG1

  1 year ago

  I didn't say anything negative about activism, I just pointed out how someone who was against insulting women supported their argument by insulting the other individual, when in fact the insult had no base at all, because Ludacris is in fact educated.
  
  The fact that I am an educated male in 562 does not mean that there are no stupid males in 562. That's the point in Andy's post that I was alluding to. It seems though, that some may be too sensitive for the facts of life, or those types of jokes..
  
  All artists have the freedom of speech, No one is going to take that away any time soon. I simply said, if you don't like his lyrics don't listen. No one is forcing you to.
  
  It's not ok for Ludacris to rap about negative things that go on in our society, but look at the 5 movies up for best picture... Juno, Atonement, Michael Clayton, There Will Be Blood, and No Country for Old Men.
  
  Oh, and Amy W. won a GRAMMY for a song that said, "I won't go to rehab" when she was abusing substances left and right. Why is that ok?
  
  Erin, I apologize if it appeared that I was attacking any of the protestors. I just meant to disagree with the person that called Chris Bridges Un-educated, I thought it was a childish way for them to try and make their point.
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  JTMAG1

  1 year ago

  Oh, and I forgot to thank Stargate lover for calling my girl a hoe because he/she didn't get the joke. That was special, considering the context of this discussion.
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  Chris Ziegler

  1 year ago

  indymedia account here
  
  http://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/02/214306.php
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  Ryan

  1 year ago

  It did smell like weed in there, didn't it? I was the Union Weekly guy and yes, that is the men's basketball locker room - hence the appearance.
  
  Ladies and gents, please don't listen to his music if you don't like it. Besides, there are plenty of other artists out there more deserving of your ridicule. He's creative, clever and immensely talented. Let him do his thing.
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  adriana

  1 year ago

  I thought it was hilarious that only about 10 people showed up to the protest, the media makes it into this big deal when it really wasn't. I am happy they got their chance to do their thing, however I think Ludacris is amazing and so did all the other people who waited in the rain to see him. Such an amazing concert!
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  Jaycee

  1 year ago

  i'd just like to say that i personally questioned the protesters on why they even bothered protesting. Ludacris isn't homophobic by any means, the one "homophobic" word that they over emphasized on their signs in a song ("Move") that was recorded 7 years ago wasn't even uttered by him and i stressed that but they weren't trying to listen to me at first. it wasn't until i mentioned that i was Ludacris' DJ that they paid any attention to me so i asked them what rap music did they listen to and support. at first they started bombarding me with names of unsigned or local groups that i'd never heard of so then i specifically said "mainstream rap artists". two of the protesters (1 male, 1 female) mentioned Snoop Dogg, which struck me as very odd, considering all of his recent arrests for drug and weapons possession, his being totally banned from entering 2 countries, and not 1, but 2 hardcore porno flicks that bear his name. that's what prompted me to play Snoop's "Ain't No Fun" record before Luda's set began. no need to mention the content of the song but it arguably goes down in history as probably THE MOST disrespectful hiphop song towards women ever recorded but the irony of it all is whenever it comes on, women sing along to every lyric like it's their favorite record in the world, as evidenced by the crowd reaction when i played it. now contrast that to Ludacris, who's never been in any trouble with the law period. yeah "Area Codes'' may be pushing it a little but it doesn't come close to the content in Snoop's record so when i saw the signs that said Ludacris' lyrics promote "murder and sexual terror" (i kid you not, i took pictures of every sign) it slightly angered me but i was humorous about it. his song "Pimpin' All Over The World" although sorta eye-catching of a title, doesn't even make one reference to pimping but it seems like people don't take the time to actually LISTEN to anything before attacking it because of the title. there was another sign that said "women's bodies are not money makers". now what popular party-oriented songs in history HAVEN'T referenced a woman's body at some point? what do we all look at when watching women dance at clubs? what do women look at when watching men dance at clubs? regular clubs, strip clubs etc? THEIR BODIES!!! c'mon now, you protesters need to get a grip but then again, judging from the signs displayed i'm guessing that maybe none of you have ever been to a party before. it's just entertainment. just look at the GOVERNOR of your own state. how many people did Arnold kill in his movies which aren't real? if you can give him a pass, then surely Ludacris deserves one as well...
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  Smiling Protester

  1 year ago

  I didn't vote for Arnold.
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  Peter Dobbs

  1 year ago

  Wow did i miss the Anti-Ludacris Feminist Wet T-Shirt Contest?
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  Observer

  1 year ago

  So "Move" was made 7 years ago? Funny I looked back at what Ludacris made 7 years ago and the closest I found was "Move BITCH" Where can I listen to "Move"?
  
  Also if this "Move" song wasn't him singing the offensive lines...does that mean he didn't make money off of that song? Or those lines? I don't how you can divide the money like that but if you know how Jaycee I'd love to learn.
  
  A lot of people in your audience were 11 when "Move" came out and when "Move Bitch" came out. But it didn't seem like a whole lot of other people came out because you didn't SELL OUT. Or even come close. Maybe the people who really love Hip-Hop and Rap found some other parties on a Saturday night. Sorry Atlanta Boys: California Knows How To Party.
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  Jaycee

  1 year ago

  okay okay "observer", i only posted "Move" because i was trying to keep it clean but since u wanna be snarky let's get it crackin'. 3 people rapped on that song, 3 different publishing entities involved so yeah Luda got paid off of it and so did Mystikal and I-20. learn the business before trying to come at me sideways and as far as the venue not selling out, who really gives a flying fuck? we still got paid in FULL before setting 1 foot in the building and we've played in Cali numerous times to sold out venues so what point are you really attempting to prove other than you're a clueless dumbass?
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  Kevin Ferguson

  1 year ago

  this is for the record to anybody reading that indymedia article lady madonna wrote, i need to correct a few things.
  
  first, the title: ludacris wasn't forced to answer questions. three papers asked him politely and professionally, and he responded in the exact same way. he could have declined to speak about the protest just as easily.
  
  second: by the time they got there, nearly everyone had gone inside. this isn't mentioned anywhere in the indymedia article. as far as i know nobody was convinced not to attend.
  
  third: the sales statistics cited are dubious and dated. it says there were 1500 presale tickets sold, but that number is two weeks old (that comes directly from asi). second, while the pyramid can seat up to 5000 (not 4500), i don't think they had 4500 tickets for sale. not all seats in the house were able to look at the stage.
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  The Commish

  1 year ago

  I want Jaycee to be my best friend. And I'm a woman. And I don't particularly listen to Luda's music. I'm just a person who thinks all art is open to interpretation. To take lyrics as literal is always dangerous. Once upon a time, "Rape Me" by Nirvana was seen as a song that promoted rape. Now, I think people realize what it really is about. I wonder, would these people have picketed Kurt Cobain?
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  Adriana

  1 year ago

  Jaycee you were amazing at the concert. No seriously your solo part was brilliant.
  
  My female friends and I, who are all either attending college or have graduated, had a great time at the concert. Please don't let one protester who in the big scheme of things bring your day down. Take it for what it is, people who either don't understand or who just like to cause trouble will. That is why there is different music out there for everyone. Some people can't tell the difference from a song at a club meant to entertain to a political or social statement. Not all songs are created to move people to act or change. Some songs are meant to be just danced to and enjoyed.
  
  Now when it comes to selling out the concert it was a shame not that many people came out but thats what happens when you a) have a venue not known for concerts (seriously when was the last time CSULB had a concert or artist of that size) b) only have a few weeks for publicity (my friend at CSULB told me they started promoting it Feb. 4th) and c) not have the artist promote it (it wasn't on his myspace or any of Ludacris' main info).
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  Seriously. I'm sure Jaycee's delicate self-esteem will be fine. No, seriously. Totally.
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  LBRez

  1 year ago

  Jaycee seems a little delicate, or is it paranoid? Was he the one who caused the room to smell of weed? Hey Jay way to take what was a very reasonable and civil discussion and bring in vulgarity--learned from Ludacris?--as soon as challenged. Very adult of you, thanks for adding your intellectual material to an otherwise worthy read by members of our community.
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  Jaycee

  1 year ago

  LBRez, i don't smoke weed. secondly, if you actually READ and paid attention to anything i typed, you'd see that i wasn't the one who introduced vulgarity to the discussion. not sure how one's "self-esteem" has anything to do with the topic at hand or even why it even mentioned (can you clear that up for us Andy?) but i can assure you that mine is in order and i am in no shape or form paranoid. to the Commish and Adriana i thank you for the kind words, feel free to hit me up whenever...
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  Andy

  1 year ago

  Just didn't think you needed a college grad to defend you by writing a mash note like a 12-year old with a crush on Zach from Saved By the Bell. But you picked up what she was laying down.
  
  Good show, by the way.
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  Jaycee

  1 year ago

  thanks and i love your humor Andy, too bad "Lady Madonna" just doesn't get it. just look at her quote "maybe if Luda was talking about hitting straight white men with cars you would be more outraged." wtf??? i personally asked her and her 12 person army if any of them had ever experienced "road rage" before and they looked at me like i was speaking a foreign language which further proves your theory that she's not part of the intended "target audience" lol. this'll conclude my posting on this topic but it's been fun y'all.
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  KaRi from TPSradio.org

  1 year ago

  I missed the concert/protest (went to a Postal Party instead) but I like the real-time log. I've done this in the past using my myspace account, "Reporting Live" from various live music events where they have wiFi, informing my 3,000+ friends via bulletins on what's happening every few minutes.
  
  Isn't the internet GREAT?!
  
  BTW, who is scheduled next at the Pyramid? Long Beach needs more BIG NAMES performing in The 562. Fill those seats!
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  Chris Ziegler

  1 year ago

  roky erickson should play the pyramid
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  Miles Clements

  1 year ago

  Best idea ever.
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  Zonron

  1 year ago

  I feel as if I am a little late in this discussion, but I'll add my two, peripheral cents anyway.
  
  Jaycee, being a mainstream hip-hop artist doesn't mean shit [I tried to think of a better word, but that one worked best]. Someone gave Paris Hilton a record deal, but that doesn't mean she can sing. In the meantime, there are plenty of talented hip-hop performers who are local or unsigned, and that simple fact doesn't mean that they are any less ingrained into the hip-hop culture, or any less valid as hip-hop voices. If you remember, hip-hop was once about bringing awareness of issues in the communities that were being ignored in the media.
  
  And in my humble opinion, mainstream hip-hop tends to be sexist both ways. It degrades women in ways already mentioned, and it degrades men in making them think that to be a "real man" they have to use words like the ones fed to them by the corporation-based music.
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  Jaycee

  1 year ago

  i never said anything was wrong with being a mainstream rap artist. i only asked her about mainstream artists because she was naming a buncha local and unsigned muthafuckas i'd never heard of before. do u even bother reading or paying attention to what i type before jumping in with an opinion? jeez...
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  ovulation days

  5 months ago

  Many women however strange know what ovulation
  Ovulation – it is the stage of menstrual cycle, during which in one of ovaries a follicle is torn and formed yellow body. That, during ovulation ripening ovule, ready to the impregnation, goes out from a follicle and follows to the uterus on uterine pipes (by their hairs). In an uterus at this time there is transformation of mucous membrane – endometriya. New mews appear in him, the network of blood vessels broadens. All of it is necessary in order that, in the case of impregnation, an embryo got nutritives. A yellow body is sekretiruet hormones, especially important during pregnancy here. Menstruation begins in opposite case, and a yellow body is exposed to gradual regress.
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