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The Toad — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:39:01 -0000

Hey, Mike Ruehle--How was the Shore the last couple of nights? Are you still getting six units from LBPD? Any other news, good or bad? Periodic updates from you are always welcome as far as I am concerned. I trust that you and yours are keeping those video cameras at the ready!

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Mike Ruehle — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:20:18 -0000

Maybe Louis Sahagun can take a lesson from Joe Segura's attached article on how to portray different sides of the 2nd street late night public disturbance issue.

http://www.presstelegram.co...

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The Toad — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:24:37 -0000

We would all be better served if somebody ran that by Pat West. A 5% efficiency differential is reasonably significant. Sure beats laying off cops.

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Laurence B. Goodhue — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:12:15 -0000

TOAD: So you have discovered my handicap!!!

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The Toad — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:05:03 -0000

Larry B Good-- Where in the heck did you get the broom idea? Everybody with half a brain knows you shovel against the tide with a PITCHFORK!

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wrongbeachJohn — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:54:21 -0000

Nice post John.

I'll have to miss out on the snoop issue in your lbpost column, because I decline to visit/support/patronize a business-union run news "scam".

I think all things need to be carefully weighed with regard to any PD/FD changes. These heroes deserve the best of working conditions due to the dangerous, serious and important work they do. We can't afford nor should we shortchange them in any way; it would also be a case of false economics if we do.

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wrongbeachJohn — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:14:51 -0000

Better run THAT by internet chief greet first.

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The Toad — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:40:48 -0000

LBPD has no "bomb squad", period. We contract-out that to the LA County Sheriff's bomb detail. No "related staff" there either.
The 5 day/8hour work week IS more efficient than the 4day/10hour work week. At least it was, when the change occurred to appease the police union. The old way was about 5% more eficient. In this economic environment, it makes sense to re-evaluate that change.

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Residents First ? — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:16:21 -0000

We definitely heard that the Evidence vanished, and that was part of the reason there was no retrial. Ask around. A few friends were elated, a few others quite upset. There was a quiet debate at the time and some pretty vague explanations. Talk to a detective or something ? There were widespread evidence tampering concerns, fingerpointing, and no explanation that several can recall. Just an interesting tangental aspect.

As for give backs, thanks. This whole nation is in Give Back mode. The economic cycle spares few.

Would returning to 5 day weeks, and 8 hour shifts help? 3 shifts? That worked well for so many years ?

Many cite the 4 day, 10 hour City Hall schedules as a huge productivity killer. When these days get staggered, it makes doing business with Staff such a pain. Meetings sometimes take weeks of tortured planning.

Just try to find Staff help on a Friday ? Certain Mondays. Better yet, try to find Staff at the end of these shifts? Say at 4,5, or before 6? City Hall ran best when it was open 8 to 5. Everybody had lunch from 12 to 1, and a lot more work got done.

The whole team was expected to be available, and cracking , at 8AM, and promptly at 1 PM All of this flexibility is a huge time waster?

When this 4 x 10 concept was hatched, it supposedly had merit. The world was experimenting. This is rare now. Many 4 x 10 firms and businesses abandoned the idea, for a range of reasons, including economic efficiency, and work product.

Many agree, the real world works 5 days a week, so should Civil Servants once again?

Many think that this would save a ton of money with fire. 3 shifts, no more paid sleep. Be up, working, and alert at all times that you are on the clock? Rookies on third shift.

When friends try to figure this out, and ask around, and try to help propose savings, you hear funny things. Is it true that there are about 1000 Fire Men, and 250 some odd are at a Captain's Rank?? How can this be? Shouldn't that number be 20 to 30 or something? So does captain mean that you have responsibility over 4 employee's ( 1000/ 250 = 4 ). We hyear that this style shift was to max out salary? These seems abusive? Dishonest to some? If you have 4 employees, don't you barely rank Corporal or something?

Finally, all or most overtime has to be pared to the bone. The thought of paying overtime, during a global recession, in a Bankrupt State with 10% unemployment , and a town with a 43 Million Dollar deficit is pretty difficult to justify isn't it?

As an aside, How many Officers were on the force when you got hired, about? How many in 1980, roughly? 1990 ?

How many men are on the 'bomb squad' now, including the related staff. We have not heard of a credible bomb threat in decades, might we get them on Patrol, building regular cases, in between terrorist attacks? ( A wise guy Attorney recently raised that one)

You guys are the Experts, and you do great work. Squeeze out some efficiencies with us, and if you have to attrit, or lay a few off. Do it. We can hire folks back in better times. That fear of our guys leaving is sad. If you do not Love Long Beach. fine. Go elsewhere.

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Laurence B, Goodhue — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:23:44 -0000

Would you stand at the Ocean and try to sweep back the tide
with a broom?

Would you have a serious interchange with Harvey?

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Guest — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:35:25 -0000

take the crazy racists advice greet.

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Laurence B. Goodhue — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:58:23 -0000

Is it High Hat or High Horse?:

It is obvious that you fail to understand that anyone who could
embrace the works of the earlier referenced degenerate is indeed
suffering from a diseased mind-which can not be blamed on the bar
food on 2ND Street.

High Horse:There is a wonderful line by Angelina Jolie in the film
CHANGELING.

It comes about a little more than 2/3 way through the
film.She makes a suggestion to the Doctor relative
to what he might do to himself as well as his high horse.

You might wish to try that.

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High Hat — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:58:53 -0000

You really are an idiot, Larry. You should just STFU and stop making a fool of yourself. Go back and tune in Hannity and stop with the racist rants that aren't welcome here or anywhere in polite, informed society.

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Residents First ? — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:40:21 -0000

Without trying to embarrass anybody, and while acknowledging that just about every organization has a bad employee or two:

We recall how a Criminal Defense firm had questions concerning how the Evidence for Snoop's Murder trial mysteriously vanished?

Is that still a mystery? What happened there?

Didn't a Court, or PD employee, or somebody with access to the Evidence locker destroy it, or remove it? Can't quite recall ?. A relative on the force at the time, and in the building , heard some interesting rumors? Of course, there was no proof. Was there a follow up ?

Some of us had a feeling something like this might happen due to the huge money involved. One of us went to school, many years ago with the son of an occasionally bad cop. Thankfully, he retired early. The son would boast that if any of us really got in trouble, for a fat fee, his dad would make sure that the Evidence never made it to trial. Also, that he had a huge nestegg from helping hush up a few high profile cases, long ago. We quit hanging around the guy and hoped that it was BS.

Of course those days are long gone, but how did the Evidence apparently vanish, when, ''Murder was the case that they gave me?''

Many evidence lockers have cold case evidence 30 or 40 years old? Others apparently have big, hungry mice or something?

Didn't somebody on the good team decide to basically, let the big trial implode ? Did we miss something here? Wasn't a custodians mistake the supposed reason?

The rumor some recall was that a 'good guy' might have been bought off? Any truth to that Mr Greet? Suspicions?

Is it fair to say that we all have flaws, and that we all make mistakes? Personally, and Insitutionally?

Regardless, please keep the police in the shore and help deploy more desk Officers.

Tonight, on Art Levine, the Mayor asked every civil servant to give back significantly, especially police and fire. He stated that if Police and Fire make no concessions, all other Staff would suffer 40% cut backs. Let's hope that we can all tighten our belts, increase productivity and work product, agree to the pension reforms, dramatically reduced overtime, and more? For the sake of the City?

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Laurence B. Goodhue — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:08:44 -0000

Residents First:

Forgive me but neglected to offer the following on the Supreme Court nominee you referenced in your well intended post.

If it is still available and should you want visit the PT first story on it and see
if my full comments are there.

When CNN first broke the news,my instant reaction,after reading the very
short bio that was posted in those first hours-was great!! From the Bronx;
no non sense lady;been there done that--she can handle New York City et al..
she can handle anything.

Then a 180 degree turn after reading her file in depth.Not only does she
like George W Bush have a fatal flawed DNA-which would preclude her from
sitting on the United States Supreme Court.She used her New York savy to
keep below the radar once on the Federal Bench-as would any jurist aspiring
to the highest court in the land.Yet two things are clear:

She would,once obtaining the life time appointment,let the suppressed DNA
flow unchecked and militate in a manner not unlike George W Bush to ignore
the advice of; Toynbee;Hoover,Truman,Eisenhower,Richard Lamb(recent former Governor of Colorado) and open the flood gates to the 50,000,000
would be illegals,now marching n formation south of our borders so they could run into the arms of the Clown Prince of Los Angeles and his buddy the
Predator Protector(who sees said tide as the only funding source to pay off
his memorial!!)joining the circa 20,000,000 already here-who are already
costing this country circa $330 BILLION-A YEAR!!!!'

IN SUM:WRONG PERSON:WRONG TIME

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Laurnce B. Goodhue — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:21:31 -0000

Mr Greet Sir:

It would appear that there has been considerable traffic on this board
back and forth between you and one particular individual(at this
moment 80% of the comments listed in the pending gray area are
between you and the referenced individual.)

My question sir is this:

Why,after reading the profile/nomenclature that is affixed to all of
the referenced individual 's posts would one engage in a interchange
with such a disturbing mind??

It is understandable that in the official capacity of your profession
were you,in the course of your duties placed in a situation where
interchange was required a discourse might have to take place.
Since you are not so encumbered now--why even bother??

Surely your sock drawer needs re arranging???

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:38:31 -0000

how would you propose to "prove me wrong" greet? are you in a position to know what snoop's motivations were when he wrote the songs that you find so offensive? since you arent, you have no way to "prove me wrong" about you and your fellow officers creating snoop and his ilk. matter of opinion.

i think if you tried a little harder you could have used "allegation" a couple more times. well im alleging that anyways.

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:29:45 -0000

im simply offering my opinion greet, in my opinion you are a bullying blowhard who's lifetime spent in authoritarian power structures have left him ill equipped to consider how an ordinary citizen feels about anything.

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:24:02 -0000

the crazy racist agrees with you greet, thats something at least...

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:19:49 -0000

i wouldnt expect you to have the introspection skills necessary to understand.

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Laurence B. Goodhue — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:16:50 -0000

Well said!!

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:44:15 -0000

newsflash smokey, im not here to pretend to be nice to people while backstabbing them like you do, i'll tell it to your face, you and your fellow cops CREATED snoop.

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:08:12 -0000

why is anyone here tolerating goodhue's racist shit? does he have to burn a cross on someones lawn before anyone cares?

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Guest — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:04:43 -0000

oh man what makes you think anyone wants your opinion on this officer? god you are thick.

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Mike Ruehle — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:52:24 -0000

COUNCILMAN DELONG has his 3rd District Neighborhood Association meeting at the Yacht Club today at noon. Police Commander Renaud was one of the guest speakers. According to Commander Renaud, car and auto burglaries are what the police are focusing on in District 3. Commander Renaud made no mention of the May 28th officer involved shooting that happened a mere 22 days ago. Nor did she mention the recent increased police presence on 2nd street during weekends due to increasing problems reported by residents starting 16 months ago.

What was absurd is Commander Renaud introduced a person on her staff who made a presentation about how CLOSELY the police were working with a specific neighborhood group about a nuisance neighbor problem situation with juveniles. Coming after 16 months of asking for Commander Renaud’s assistance and getting zilch until someone was shot, I consider this presentation an insult.

Not only did Commander Renaud’s insulting presentation ignore the serious shooting situation that occurred in Belmont Shore, she made it appear as if she was proactively working with community groups, when that could not be further from the truth in my community. Like I said, we’ve been pleading for permanent help from her and the police for well over a year. It finally took residents' videos of public disturbances and a shooting to embarrass Commander Renaud into finally addressing the situation. However, she doesn’t want to talk about it at Councilman DeLong’s meeting. It's the typical bury your head in the sand methodology. If you don't talk about it, it didn't happen.