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We recall how a Criminal Defense firm had questions concerning how the Evidence for Snoop's Murder trial mysteriously vanished?
Is that still a mystery? What happened there?
Didn't a Court, or PD employee, or somebody with access to the Evidence locker destroy it, or remove it? Can't quite recall ?. A relative on the force at the time, and in the building , heard some interesting rumors? Of course, there was no proof. Was there a follow up ?
Some of us had a feeling something like this might happen due to the huge money involved. One of us went to school, many years ago with the son of an occasionally bad cop. Thankfully, he retired early. The son would boast that if any of us really got in trouble, for a fat fee, his dad would make sure that the Evidence never made it to trial. Also, that he had a huge nestegg from helping hush up a few high profile cases, long ago. We quit hanging around the guy and hoped that it was BS.
Of course those days are long gone, but how did the Evidence apparently vanish, when, ''Murder was the case that they gave me?''
Many evidence lockers have cold case evidence 30 or 40 years old? Others apparently have big, hungry mice or something?
Didn't somebody on the good team decide to basically, let the big trial implode ? Did we miss something here? Wasn't a custodians mistake the supposed reason?
The rumor some recall was that a 'good guy' might have been bought off? Any truth to that Mr Greet? Suspicions?
Is it fair to say that we all have flaws, and that we all make mistakes? Personally, and Insitutionally?
Regardless, please keep the police in the shore and help deploy more desk Officers.
Tonight, on Art Levine, the Mayor asked every civil servant to give back significantly, especially police and fire. He stated that if Police and Fire make no concessions, all other Staff would suffer 40% cut backs. Let's hope that we can all tighten our belts, increase productivity and work product, agree to the pension reforms, dramatically reduced overtime, and more? For the sake of the City?
The D.A elected not to attempt to re-try the manslaughter charge.
I’m not familiar with the evidence tampering allegations you mention. But if such occurred it would have been not only unlawful but extremely unfortunate since it is a professional peace officer’s sworn duty to uphold the law and to act always in the furtherance, rather than the impediment, of justice.
You ask “how did the evidence apparently vanish?” But I’m only seeing information you readily characterize as “rumors”. I’m not seeing facts that support the premise of the question. “Did the evidence vanish?” might be a better question and one I cannot, personally, answer.
It is *exceedingly* fair to say that we all have flaws, and that we all make mistakes, personally, and institutionally. I have said as much in many postings both here and elsewhere.
You have my vote, as a private citizen and 3rd District resident, to keep more police in the Shore and elsewhere throughout the city. It’s my understanding that the only desk officers of the sworn variety that still exist are on Health Department-mandated modified duty due to illness or injury. But I could be mistaken.
I feel assured that the various public safety employees in this city will, indeed, contribute to the budgetary solutions to the current deficit. They always have contributed, after all, every single time it has been asked of them. I see no reason to believe *this* response will be any different.
As for give backs, thanks. This whole nation is in Give Back mode. The economic cycle spares few.
Would returning to 5 day weeks, and 8 hour shifts help? 3 shifts? That worked well for so many years ?
Many cite the 4 day, 10 hour City Hall schedules as a huge productivity killer. When these days get staggered, it makes doing business with Staff such a pain. Meetings sometimes take weeks of tortured planning.
Just try to find Staff help on a Friday ? Certain Mondays. Better yet, try to find Staff at the end of these shifts? Say at 4,5, or before 6? City Hall ran best when it was open 8 to 5. Everybody had lunch from 12 to 1, and a lot more work got done.
The whole team was expected to be available, and cracking , at 8AM, and promptly at 1 PM All of this flexibility is a huge time waster?
When this 4 x 10 concept was hatched, it supposedly had merit. The world was experimenting. This is rare now. Many 4 x 10 firms and businesses abandoned the idea, for a range of reasons, including economic efficiency, and work product.
Many agree, the real world works 5 days a week, so should Civil Servants once again?
Many think that this would save a ton of money with fire. 3 shifts, no more paid sleep. Be up, working, and alert at all times that you are on the clock? Rookies on third shift.
When friends try to figure this out, and ask around, and try to help propose savings, you hear funny things. Is it true that there are about 1000 Fire Men, and 250 some odd are at a Captain's Rank?? How can this be? Shouldn't that number be 20 to 30 or something? So does captain mean that you have responsibility over 4 employee's ( 1000/ 250 = 4 ). We hyear that this style shift was to max out salary? These seems abusive? Dishonest to some? If you have 4 employees, don't you barely rank Corporal or something?
Finally, all or most overtime has to be pared to the bone. The thought of paying overtime, during a global recession, in a Bankrupt State with 10% unemployment , and a town with a 43 Million Dollar deficit is pretty difficult to justify isn't it?
As an aside, How many Officers were on the force when you got hired, about? How many in 1980, roughly? 1990 ?
How many men are on the 'bomb squad' now, including the related staff. We have not heard of a credible bomb threat in decades, might we get them on Patrol, building regular cases, in between terrorist attacks? ( A wise guy Attorney recently raised that one)
You guys are the Experts, and you do great work. Squeeze out some efficiencies with us, and if you have to attrit, or lay a few off. Do it. We can hire folks back in better times. That fear of our guys leaving is sad. If you do not Love Long Beach. fine. Go elsewhere.
The 5 day/8hour work week IS more efficient than the 4day/10hour work week. At least it was, when the change occurred to appease the police union. The old way was about 5% more eficient. In this economic environment, it makes sense to re-evaluate that change.
In any case it’s very much, as you say, tangential. I feel I've made my arguments concerning official City involvement with Mr. Broadus quite clear both here and in my current column at LBPOST.com. That column generated quite a number of predominantly constructive responses which I have, in turn responded to. I think I'll let that column speak for itself, and for me, on that topic for the time being.
There are many, many studies concerning the use of alternative work schedules in both the public and private sectors. Some support and some refute the value of such. Having worked various types of shifts in my life: 5/8, 4/10, 12-on-12-off and various combinations thereof, as a worker, I find I prefer 4/10’s the most. As a supervisor and scheduler I find that 4/10’s are neither more nor less challenging to schedule than are 5/8’s. But since LBPD has minimum staffing requirements for both patrol and dispatch personnel, I don’t believe the sort of shift those employees work really matters much. The number of total employees is the same and the number required to be on duty at a given time is pre-set. Alternate work schedules, then, are just that…alternative ways to arrive at the same required shift-to-shift staffing levels.
Certain amounts of overtime, at least in police work, are unavoidable. When an officer makes a late arrest, overtime is often required to process that arrest and to file the required paperwork. When an officer is off duty (having already completed either a 10-hour shift or a 40-hour week), but is called to Court in response to a subpoena, overtime is required to compensate that officer. When an emergency situation occurs that requires the deployment of a considerable number of highly specialized resources (i.e. SWAT), then any such personnel, and those that respond in support, who have already completed their 10-hour day or their 40-hour week must, by both law and contract, receive overtime for that response.
I believe that LBPD has done much in recent years to minimize the need for overtime as well as to mitigate its effects. Whether more can be done is question for others with far more budgetary expertise than I possess.
As to your comments concerning FD and “paid sleep”, I would argue that our FD employees aren’t being paid to sleep; they’re being paid to be awakened mid-sleep cycle and respond to fires and medical emergencies. Perhaps a more traditional scheduling model could work for them and perhaps not. An FD employee would be in a much better position to answer that one intelligently. But comparing what they do with what PD does is, to my mind, inappropriate. Their roles and, thus, their scheduling and staffing models, differ greatly.
The role of FD employees working at Fire Stations is predominantly, though not exclusively, reactive. There is no need for them to be constantly on patrol seeking out fires or medical emergencies. I don’t think this would be an efficient use of that resource.
On the other hand, the role of PD employees assigned to patrol is both reactive and proactive. Patrol officers are required to continually canvass the City looking for and preventing crime by virtue of their presence out in the community (proactive) as well as to respond to calls for service (reactive) which are far more numerous for PD than for FD. Patrol officers also do much more investigative work than they ever used to do. They follow up on their own crime reports and those of other officers, develop and work their own leads, and, in many cases, write and serve their own search warrants. This is a level of secondary enforcement activity far beyond what was customary for patrol officers just a few short decades ago.
As to your question concerning FD staffing and rank; a quick review of the latest FD Budget reveals a total of 528.28 full time employees, both sworn and civilian, 95 of which are Captains. http://www.longbeach.gov/civica/filebank/blobdl...
The duties of a Fire Captain can be found on the City’s Civil Service website: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/longbeach/defa...
As Toad accurately reports, LBPD has no bomb squad of its own. What LASD might be billing us for bomb-related responses in Long Beach I cannot say.
Toad clearly feels the 5/8 work schedule was 5% more efficient for LBPD. Perhaps so. I wouldn’t mind learning upon what factual data Toad bases that assertion.
Hope I’ve been of assistance!
I'll have to miss out on the snoop issue in your lbpost column, because I decline to visit/support/patronize a business-union run news "scam".
I think all things need to be carefully weighed with regard to any PD/FD changes. These heroes deserve the best of working conditions due to the dangerous, serious and important work they do. We can't afford nor should we shortchange them in any way; it would also be a case of false economics if we do.
This might better align the Business/Resident partnership, that existed for decades, and begin to tear down some of this 'special friends', ''Committeee to elect'' favoritism, vs. most residents, and a Council wall of obsteperous stupidity?
Mr Ruehle is not Charles Manson. His supporters are not Lynette 'Squeaky' Fromm, nor Leslie Van Howton ?
Maybe a mere Option, might suffice, or a Right of First Refusal, or Remainder Interest? Some Pecuniary Interest might be enough ?
This might really help us build a stronger case, faster ? Possibly take a first, adult step in the direction of Conflict Resolution, and Fairness by establishing Legal Standing ?
Might an option to purchase a simple hair dressing stall, in an Independent Contractors hands, or something similar, and a name on a business license, give him a legal foot into the door again, and help get the residents message across? Maybe a rented Office cubicle as a consultant?, A D.B.A., and a business License?
We need to get the dialog going again and we see no Council, or BSBA desire to mediate this matter.
The Residents and their Rep's are not going away.
Often, there is more than one way to skin an onion, and other ways to bust a guys onions?
Also wondering, in the name of advancing the investigation, has anyone gone to visit the PD for more info? The PT seems to have killed this story dead? For Mean Gene?
Has that one source who talks to the perp, revealed anything more? Can we definitively place the Defendant in Legend's that night?
Where is the ABC presently. Many have called, and many more should. Any news?
Did anyone make the public inspection of the A.I. Plans yet? That could really cause some anxiety, and 'chafing'.
Anybody can go over to the hospital and consult with the family as to what they believe happened. Talk to nurses, do a little PI work? A solid newspaper should still be on this, if staffed. Was he yet another person, poured into the ozone, then the pavement by Legend's?
Also, the PD should have a further statement ? Anyone can call politely, for an update.
Is Genio really flaking out on the payments? Let's file a FOIA/CPRA request on the Loan docs, the Note, and the payment record, and any hardship documentation?
We are hearing that a lot of people feel a bit safer in the shore now, and in the general area. Thanks
And Mr Goodhue, maybe we might lighten it all up with a little comedy. Take a poetry pause. Write us a bawdy limirick or something? Better yet, attempt to pen your first rap? This might be really entertaining ?
But really sir, you can get your point across with out using racial terms?
The words, I believe that he is a relentless media hound, or words to that effect, may have sufficed?
Many, many people with colored skin, are quite proud that a Latino has finally earned the Mayor of LA Position. We saw women weep tears of joy because it had been a long, long time coming. Politics aside, this man has given tens of thousands of children, of many ethnicities, some hope, like Justice Moreno of the CA Supreme Court?
Many have hoped to see a Mexican American Governor some day too, and again, politics aside, are exceedingly proud that a latina, is headed to the highest court in the land. Just writing that, chokes some of us up. Long overdue. Read her opinions some day, like them or not. What a brilliant, steel trap, analytical mind.
You do not make it to The Supreme Court of the United States of America, to draft opinions which will stand for centuries, and become the law of the entire land, unless you are in the upper one tenth, of one percent, of ALL of the Attorneys in America, had perfect grades, stellar recommendations, and much much more.
Anyway, please, tell us a joke or two again someday?.
Such as..."Many have hoped to see a Mexican American Governor"....
"Latina headed to highest court"
Mexican Jumping Bean..is certainly thus appropriate within the context it
was referenced. In that instant case...relentless media hound does not even
begin to convey the Clown Prince's behavior.....
Let me suggest that you go with Sunshine to a joke or novelty store buy
a box of Mexican jumping beans...toss then in a circle....watch them jump around...
just like the Clown Prince when TV or News cameras go on-particularly if
they are going off on different sides of a room or area....anytime he sees
a flash he was not in.....he jumps over to that direction......
That is based upon personal observation watching him when campaigning for
Mayor..juxtaposed against my memories of playing with those jumping beans
as a kid.
As a mater of fact something did unfold in all the turmoil on 2nd Street
last week that might fall into that classification:
TO WIT:
On Thursday or Friday last week two brothers,mid twenties,non white
decided to visit the shore after seeing the news reports.Which reveals
right away they were not Fulbright scholars.
Their parents had given them names common in their native country of
orgin.As happens in many cases,the name does not translate well in the
lexicon of some countries-as was to be the case here.
After a short while in the Shore they decided to go their separate ways
and meet up later.After waiting at the agreed location and time-the older
brother became concerned and set out looking for his near identical twin.
Inadvertently,he stepped off the sidewalk and started to jay walk!!!!A single
very polite LBPD called him over and began writing him a ticket.
The officer informed him of the violation and asked the young man his name.
The young man replied: " Shut up!!!"
The officer repiled--"Are you looking for trouble??!!"
The relived and smiling young man replied:.."Yes I certainly am"
His case comes up at 3:00 PM Friday!!! Department J.
Forgive me but neglected to offer the following on the Supreme Court nominee you referenced in your well intended post.
If it is still available and should you want visit the PT first story on it and see
if my full comments are there.
When CNN first broke the news,my instant reaction,after reading the very
short bio that was posted in those first hours-was great!! From the Bronx;
no non sense lady;been there done that--she can handle New York City et al..
she can handle anything.
Then a 180 degree turn after reading her file in depth.Not only does she
like George W Bush have a fatal flawed DNA-which would preclude her from
sitting on the United States Supreme Court.She used her New York savy to
keep below the radar once on the Federal Bench-as would any jurist aspiring
to the highest court in the land.Yet two things are clear:
She would,once obtaining the life time appointment,let the suppressed DNA
flow unchecked and militate in a manner not unlike George W Bush to ignore
the advice of; Toynbee;Hoover,Truman,Eisenhower,Richard Lamb(recent former Governor of Colorado) and open the flood gates to the 50,000,000
would be illegals,now marching n formation south of our borders so they could run into the arms of the Clown Prince of Los Angeles and his buddy the
Predator Protector(who sees said tide as the only funding source to pay off
his memorial!!)joining the circa 20,000,000 already here-who are already
costing this country circa $330 BILLION-A YEAR!!!!'
IN SUM:WRONG PERSON:WRONG TIME
It is obvious that you fail to understand that anyone who could
embrace the works of the earlier referenced degenerate is indeed
suffering from a diseased mind-which can not be blamed on the bar
food on 2ND Street.
High Horse:There is a wonderful line by Angelina Jolie in the film
CHANGELING.
It comes about a little more than 2/3 way through the
film.She makes a suggestion to the Doctor relative
to what he might do to himself as well as his high horse.
You might wish to try that.
Could you please tell me what the salary costs are for the Belmont Shore Business Association (BSBA), and Belmont Shore Parking and Business Improvment Area Advisory Commission (BSPBIA). The parking commission has an city economic development person and a city attorney advising and the BSBA has at least 2 paid staff I know about.
I understand that the BSBA make a substantial amount of money from "endorsements", "special event" fees, etc. Do you have a breakdown of last years income/expenses for the commission and business association? Does the BSBA get any money from the hotel bed taxes out of the LBVisitor/Convention center's kickback of 50%? Has anyone been able to obtain a copy of the BSBA's bylaws? Did the BSBA compensate the city for all of the special events permits and policing?
facing the same economic pressures as its entire industry.The reporter covers a wide-wide beat.They gave a lot of space to the story and presented a good over view.Wait for the follow up story.
Neither he nor the good Shelby Grad want to appear lazy or like Harry.There
is a lot of material to cover;people to contact,public records to review.
Keep in mind: though De Long and Foster's Vernon by the Sea is a seminal
story here;it pales in comparison to the fact: this State has been brought
to its knees by the likes of Orpeza and Richardson et al;the American Idol the
voters elected in November is projecting to triple the Federal Deficit(as well
as reversing himself on most of his pre election positions-finding most of
the Bush Administration polices were sound--with the exception of ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION)and the fact that circa 50,000,000(fifty million) of those ILLEGALS are marching in formation ready to stream across our borders-
pushed across the by the drug cartels and poverty-into the open arms of
GIRLIE MAN AND IS NEW FOUND FRIEND,THE CLOWN PRINCE OF LOS ANGELES,THE MEXICAN JUMPING BEAN VILLARAIGOSA.
Thus,a 20-25 % reduction in home values and ;a few dead low lifes
one or two innocent by standers getting stabbed;and a few hours
lost sleep three or four nights a week--is nothing to STOP THE PRESSES
FOR.
The answer to your question is no!!
Give it circa two weeks.Keep in mind at this point it is not breaking news.
Digging out and verifying corruption,particularly that which is so rampant
in Long Beach,takes a bit of time.Look how long it took to nail the guys in
Watergate.
Are you telling me he is not of Mexican descent?Is he Irish?He does
not look as if he is from Norway!!
Is there such a thing as a Irish jumping bean? Norwegian jumping Bean.
Correct me,but is not the Mexican Jumping Bean-the only jumping bean
in the world??
Go to a game store and pick up a bag of Mexican Jumping Beans.Open
them up and follow the instructions.
Compare that then to the referenced Clown Prince when news and TV
cameras start flashing around.Like a moth drawn to a flame!!!
As to my letter printed in letter DW: my letter and reference to Nazis,
must be viewed, in the context,of the article ,which chronicled the depraved approach, the City is apparently poised to take in terms of
funding an otherwise project of merit that could well serve the City.
My point was: turning to a degenerate for funding,would be not unlike
turning to the Nazi's for funding.
Those void of any self esteem,self respect,or any apparent knowledge of
how degenerate,even the post felony conviction-actions and conduct are
point to some good things said individual might have done.
In my view that would be like saying:Well the Nazis made the trains run
on time;had stirring marshal music;some nice clean architecture--so let us overlook the other!!!
It is hope the above brings clarity to the issue.
Yes you are correct about jumping beans being native to mexico and the bean's larvae to moth to the flame bit. The depth and broadness of your bullsh*t is impressive.
I know a bit about Nazi Germany degenerative art but disagree that the city is turning to a degenerative artist for charity funding.
I have a lot of respect for Mr. Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Snoop Dogg aka Snoop Doggy Dizzle speaking out about crime and stuff in LB circa 1994. Snoop has been nominated for a Grammys 12 times. Snoop and DRE were just rapping about what was happening in their neighborhood and that is free speech and art.
Wikipedia, A Mexican jumping bean is a phenomenon native to Mexico (where it is known as a brincador, or "hopper"). Physically, Mexican jumping beans resemble small tan to brown beans. They are a type of seed in which the egg of a small moth has been laid. It is the moth's larva which makes them 'jump'. The beans themselves are from a shrub of the genus Sebastiania (S. palmeri or S. pavoniana), itself often referred to as the jumping bean, while the moth is a member of the genus Cydia called a jumping bean moth.
the degenerate you apparently so champion is reviled by the civilized void of diseased thinking..
Hip Hop and Rap are offsprings of Jazz. Jazz has been called America's classical music and America's only true art form. The influence of Jazz, Hip Hop and Rap music can be heard in most parts of this world. Makes me want to pull out my old vinyl copy of The Chronic.
as those in waiting-including the guy featured on the
front page of today's Press Telegram-obviously on
his way to partake of De Long's offerings on Second
Street.
It is certainly a dubious and incredulous leap to assign the virtues of jazz to the other garbage.
My studies of music must have really been abridged.Tell me:when exactly were the gun battles,killings,among Beethoven,Bach and Brhams
take place??Was that after or before those turf wars of Mussorgasky,Korsakov and that rascal
Puccni???
Of course Beethoven was not rapping about the poor peasants because he was employeed by the Court of the Elector of Colgne. Bach was employeed by the Court of Weimar. Brahams was employed Court of Lippe-Detmold. Do you think the King wanted to hear about some peasant being beheaded for stealing a loaf of bread?
Another example Greet(employed by the LBPD) and LBResident, do you see them negatively rapping about the system, fairness, the man?
Before you be judmental, put yourself in another man's shoes.
There’s a considerable difference between simply recounting certain negative and unlawful aspects of day-to-day life in one’s neighborhood and personally participating in and perpetuating many of those negative and unlawful aspects and then writing, recording and performing autobiographically about having done so, and doing so for profit.
Those that Mr. Broadus most often writes about (himself and the violent criminal street gang he has openly affiliated himself with) have victimized a fine neighborhood full of very good people for decades.
Thus, having "stuck it to his former neighborhood", and for profit over many years, Mr. Broadus then found a way to make still more money by recounting these exploitations through his lyrics and his music...lyrics and music that, sadly, have found a large following in the very community he and his made a lifestyle out of preying upon.
I humbly suggest that the “respect” some claim to feel for Mr. Broadus is very ill-placed indeed!
You are dead center on target.Only a diseased mind could
sidle up to a degenerate.
When the singer cried out, "187 on a m-fin cop" he was accusing the police of murder-- calling attention to the fact that in general, the cops get away with murder.
Interestingly, Sublime was white, from East Side LB.
BTW, we recently had a discussion on what the area of PCH & Walnut would be called and we decided it is the "Eastside" (as in Eastside Longos) as opposed to the East Side (As in Los Altos and Alamitos Heights).
And truthfully, some of the most innovative music of our time has been created by Old Skool rappers like Snoop, Dr. Dre and their ilk. Expand your horizons.
[Later edit: I felt compelled to check, and discovered that actually Dr. Dre and Snoop did use this expression first in a song that was released on April 14, 1992, and by July of that year it was a top 40 hit. "April 29, 1992" by Sublime wasn't recorded until 1996.]
l Go back and re-read paragraph number 4.The Botany
re fresher wasinteresting however.
2.Then re read the next to the last paragraph.
3.As to the degenerate:.. see the post of Toad posted below
this one hour ago.That does not even get into his latest
degenerate conduct---relative to treatment of women--
which one can hear echoed by the inhabitants of the
warrens-almost anytime makes a round trip on the Blue
or Green Line.Indeed,it was but circa a year ago that the
degenerate was defending said views toward women.It was
about the same time Her Majesty's Government declared him
a persona non grata in the British Empire!!!!
4.As to helping the west side(sans getting into the discussion
of where the west side is located) go:
A.Grunion Gazette June 17,2009(up now):Editorial:see my
comment #2-identifies funding for 14St Skate Park.
B.Press Telegram article and editorial of such with a different
suggestion re: funding.(crossed referenced)
in chronicling,what in my view is the unfortunate manifest continuing failure
of the oh so disconnected Councilman Gary De Long to understand the pulse
and people of this District.
This has been but one of a,not so short list of his debacles. which ill serves
the community.My sense is it might well take two to three years-if not more
to reverse the downward spiral the area will suffer as a result of what has
unfolded.
The pictures and videos tell it all.Particularly the photos and map with
detailed directions.The pictures shout out:LOW LIFE WELCOME:COME ON
DOWN!!!OPEN FOR ROWDIES!!!
How fast the course can be reversed depends on how quickly the inn keepers
on 2nd Street can come up the curve on what needs to be done.It is hoped
that they take note of other such establishments in other parts of the District
and learn how they have been able to avoid the problems which have unfolded in the past year on 2nd Street.Key to which would be to abandoning
the sophomoric approach of shooting the messenger.
One of the possibilities that might be examined in a dress code,not only for
personnel but for customers.
Ideally a customer dress code would follow the lines which would not allow me to enter 80% of the time.
For those with outside,railed off tables;set those aside for coat and tie only
for men,commensurate for ladles.
As for personnel:Their dress code should set the tone.If you have door
personnel that look like a bouncer-that is the wrong signal.Keep in mind
your are running an Inn not a side slow at a itinerant second rate carnival
at Long Beach and Anaheim or a tatoo parlor.
The mantra that should be set is:IF YOU ARE NOT BECOMING:PLEASE
BE GOING!!...which is essentially what the ABC will be telling the non
compliant,now that the public has been armed with information.
Just as a side note on the issue of "Ralphing" on resident's lawns,
in parking lots and streets....it might be a natural comment or reaction
to some of the food,at some,though not all the bars.Consider some type
arrangement with a good restaurant in the area-send runner on bike to
pick up.(This comes from perspective of running a bar 45 stories above
ground level and having food prepared on the ground floor-scooting it up
elevator to a very small pantry-pushing out 400 meals a night)
Second, this “onslaught of customers” is not isolated to the summer months as reported by Mr. Shahagun and some people would have you believe. In fact, most of the problems complained about in the past happened outside the summer months when police representation on 2nd Street dwindles to nothing. Below are links to Press telegram articles from October 3, 2007 and January 16, 2008, BSRA meeting minutes from April 8, 2008 and the May 2008 fight videos which illustrate out-of-the-area bar patrons cause problems year round and not just in the summer.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8939312.html
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-15117345.html
http://www.shoreresidents.com/minutes%202008041...
http://www.youtube.com/user/BSResident2009
surprised.That dude thought those guys were part of De Long's
outreach program to bring gang bangers to the Shore-who were
there to escort him personally down to the bars.He was all dressed
ready to go....
'
Best joke definitely goes to Sunshine with......''.YOU"RE KILLIN" ME LARRY... ''
We have friends at the DeGone luncheon....at the ever so exclusive DeLong Beach Yacht Club.....news to follow....
Remember, Mr DeLong's very first official act in Office was to go make pancakes for all his special friends at the Annual Pancake Breakfast there. Many cannot forget how many times he said, there, and over the following month's; '' Who would want the job?''
As for the LA Times Article, it was not perfect, but it reached eyes across America. Nobody expected them to opine like ''The Women's Temperance League' prior to prohibition, but several saw it as somewhat helpful.
When you have so many upset residents, and such collusion, and favoritism, significant institutionalized inequity, and this increasingly tone deaf, and naive Council posture stating ''I am a friend of all business, any business, firstmost, and foremost' , any Press, can be good press sometimes ?
Keep swingin' Mike . You have done a lot of good for your friends and your neighbors.
Spirited debate is healthy, as is accountability, fairness, and better transparency.
This District needs a Councilperson from the Jan Hall 'common sense' school of thought, where residents, schools, children, seniors, neighborhoods and neighbors come first ?
Business is great, but this District is a bedroom community where quality of life is key.
What was absurd is Commander Renaud introduced a person on her staff who made a presentation about how CLOSELY the police were working with a specific neighborhood group about a nuisance neighbor problem situation with juveniles. Coming after 16 months of asking for Commander Renaud’s assistance and getting zilch until someone was shot, I consider this presentation an insult.
Not only did Commander Renaud’s insulting presentation ignore the serious shooting situation that occurred in Belmont Shore, she made it appear as if she was proactively working with community groups, when that could not be further from the truth in my community. Like I said, we’ve been pleading for permanent help from her and the police for well over a year. It finally took residents' videos of public disturbances and a shooting to embarrass Commander Renaud into finally addressing the situation. However, she doesn’t want to talk about it at Councilman DeLong’s meeting. It's the typical bury your head in the sand methodology. If you don't talk about it, it didn't happen.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions, Mr. x. But you did not initially appear to be asserting opinion, you appeared to be offering personal insults and unsupported allegations. Even when asked to support your allegations with factual information you simply resorted to further insult and additional unsupported allegation.
This tactic would lead a resonable person to believe that you must not have any factual information to support your allegations and so, simply chose to continue to offer nothing but insult and baseless allegation to avoid the possibility of being proven wrong.
You then characterize these insults and allegations as "opinion" so that you need not support either with anything even closely resembling a fact.
As mentioned, "How convenient for you".
Now; you've made several allegations in response to my original comment in this string and all I've asked you to do, most respectfully I might add, is support your allegations with some factual information. If you cannot do so, that's fine, just say that and move on.
If you *can* do so, please do that, so that you and I might actually engage one another in a civil and productive discussion.
i think if you tried a little harder you could have used "allegation" a couple more times. well im alleging that anyways.
Of course no one can possibly prove you wrong in this, can they Mr. x? Because you refuse to support your assertions with factual information. Most convenient for you indeed!
Mr. Broadus' motivations for writing as he does seem self-evident to me. But perhaps I'm mistaken. I'm not offended by Mr. Broadus' music. I do not choose to give it that much power over me. I am offended by some of our elected and appointed officials who seem so enamored of him that they appear to forget their official responsibilities to us.
I've made a couple of attempts, now, to explain why I feel that what you initially offered was unsubstantiated allegation, rather than simple opinion.
If you persist in claiming that everything you said in response to my initial comment in this string was merely your opinion then I have no choice but to accept that.
Too bad, though, had you been able to offer some facts, I might have had a chance to actually learn something from you.
It would appear that there has been considerable traffic on this board
back and forth between you and one particular individual(at this
moment 80% of the comments listed in the pending gray area are
between you and the referenced individual.)
My question sir is this:
Why,after reading the profile/nomenclature that is affixed to all of
the referenced individual 's posts would one engage in a interchange
with such a disturbing mind??
It is understandable that in the official capacity of your profession
were you,in the course of your duties placed in a situation where
interchange was required a discourse might have to take place.
Since you are not so encumbered now--why even bother??
Surely your sock drawer needs re arranging???
Unfortunately Mr. x doesn't appear to have any supporting facts in this case or, if he is to be believed, he chooses to withhold them because he doesn't believe me capable of refuting them.
As mentioned, since he persists in this assertion I'm given no other choice but to accept it...accept it, mind you, but not to any degree believe it.
But such are the tactics of those who cannot support their arguments: to emphasize hyperbole over substance, offer unsupported innuendo over fact information and personal insult over respectful and well-reasoned dialog and debate. At the end of the day, such tactics cannot be effectively combated because their goal is not to overcome ignorance but, rather, to perpetuate it.
Thus, at least in this case, Mr x. and I have diametrically opposing goals.
Being human, we all, I included, sometimes suffer from ignorance. But this is not the personal insult some misperceive it to be. It's simply a condition in which a person is lacking in knowledge, education or awareness on a given issue.
As mentioned, ignorance can be overcome by acquiring the knowledge, education and awareness that is lacking. This is why I sometimes persist in asking for factual information from those, here and elsewhere, with whom I disagree. It's my sincere hope that they will be willing to provide whatever factual information they possess, that I might learn something from it and, thus, overcome my own ignorance on a given topic.
Unfortunately, when people employ the tactics that Mr. x has done here, no knowledge is conveyed, no education occurs and no constructive awareness is achieved.
What a terrible waste of everyone's time!
with a broom?
Would you have a serious interchange with Harvey?
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