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jdt
care to elaborate on this statement "if it weren’t for Israel, we would probably be losing the war on terror"? what exactly has israel done for us in the "war on terror"?
That mentality got us into Iraq in the first place and contributes nothing to a thoughful, cogently argued discussion.
In his last interview Martin Heidegger said only a god can save us now.
In three of his last four plays Shakespeare has a god come down from the sky to break up or resolve the action. No one has given a convincing explanation why for the first time at that late date he pulled that hoary theatrical device out of the clear blue sky, as it were. The Elizabethans called it a “theophany”. The Greeks called it “deus ex machina” which means “god out of a machine”.
It’s not only crazy enough, it gives crazy a bad name.
So Mercury conjunct with the great goddess Venus with a pinch of salt tossed in. It’s as good an explanation as any.
Second verse, same as the first. Often in error, never in doubt. But the third time’s a charm.
Good sense has never concluded otherwise.
Julia, this site is mostly commented on by those a bit further to the left of you and I; don't expect much agreement for any of your sentiments as expressed. Daniel is pretty much anti-Western/anti-capitalism and pro- anything anti-American so don't expect much there either. He suffers some type of guilt complex for what earlier generations, generations from a few centuries ago, did and feels you and I must somehow pay. But the lefties love him so let him play in the sandbox cause he throws sand at those they don't like.
Now that I have said my two cents they will, as one commenter said on some other thread, "throw bricks through Rez' window." Just like the Hezbollah rockets raining down on Israeli schoolyards. Off to get my hardhat.
Thanks for using that convenient broad brush to lump everyone who might not agree with you as a "leftie". Am I a "leftie" because I challenge a poster's opinion that he is "betraying his people" by offering a different path? Do you know my position on all issues?
I doubt you know the author, but are able to suss out his deepest psychological issues and then appear offended that you might be the target of the same.
Smug. Not attractive. Nor does it move a dialogue forward.
But here's the thing:
Jews claim to be the Chosen People of the One True God of Love and Justice. So it's not enough to say "we'll play nice when the Arabs play nice," or "we're just defending our turf like everyone else does."
If you're claiming to be "chosen," you have just set a higher standard yourself. I'm only asking Jews to live up to that standard, if they take it seriously, and put peace before real estate. Lead the way, instead of reacting in anger. Act holy.
This actually has nothing to do with left or right. Zionism was largely a "liberal" movement, and Islamism is about as far fight as you can get. I defend neither; I'm speaking here for a new insane righteousness.
Thanks for your comments everyone!
what hezzbollah rockets?
"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
(Source: Wisdom Quotes by Jone Johnson Lewis)
Can you clarify what you mean in #9 when you wrote:
"He suffers some type of guilt complex for what earlier generations, generations from a few centuries ago, did and feels you and I must somehow pay."
This sounds a little like "Original Sin." But rather than talk about that, I was wondering if this means that corporations and businesses should not be liable for past detrimental actions when those board members that were ultimately responsible for the illegal/immoral actions are no longer with those companies.
Is there only personal, individual responsibility in this world? We do hold corporations to be liable, even when the shareholders have had no say whatsoever. Why should things be any different for States' and Governments liabilities?
I guess this is only a little off-topic. Maybe you only write what you do because you see the name "Andy" and your head spins off, flying this way and that.
There will be no peace in the Middle East until Israel is no longer in existence and all the Jews in the Middle East are either dead or leave; until then they will be bombed, murdered and pursued under the guise of Islam.
Does being anti-Zionist = anti-American?!?!
If you claim the name "Jew", prove it by putting your faith in the invisible father and his Kingdom, instead of always running for an AK47 when trouble shows up.
Sacrifice!
This comment program won't accept LINKS. But please read the article 'life in occupied Gaza" by Stephen Lendman over at desertpeace.wordpress.com.
gaza is not free.
far from it.
Love your neighbor
put down your sword
blessed are the peacemakers
What a stupid hippie Jesus was! He should have stabbed pontius pilate in the heart!
right?
Your assertion that those who value discourse over dogma (and by faulty corollary, doormats for destruction), implies that the "fools" are the ones incapable of discerning a true threat from genocidal policies. Such oversimplification worked for Adolf and for George W and for fearmongering leaders throughout the ages...how nice of you to refresh their philosophies as it pertains to this article.
Here's the choice: We either learn to love, or we die while (not) trying.
"obey my commandments and I will bless you; curse your brothers and you will by destroyed"
U.S. Withdraws Fulbright Grants to Gaza
By ETHAN BRONNER
GAZA — The American State Department has withdrawn all Fulbright grants to Palestinian students in Gaza hoping to pursue advanced degrees at American institutions this fall because Israel has not granted them permission to leave.
Israel has isolated this coastal strip, which is run by the militant group Hamas. Given that policy, the United States Consulate in Jerusalem said the grant money had been “redirected” to students elsewhere out of concern that it would go to waste if the Palestinian students were forced to remain in Gaza.
A letter was sent by e-mail to the students on Thursday telling them of the cancellation. Abdulrahman Abdullah, 30, who had been hoping to study for an M.B.A. at one of several American universities on his Fulbright, was in shock when he read it.
“If we are talking about peace and mutual understanding, it means investing in people who will later contribute to Palestinian society,” he said. “I am against Hamas. Their acts and policies are wrong. Israel talks about a Palestinian state. But who will build that state if we can get no training?”
Just pave over the whole sacred area and put up the Home Depot that was supposed to go on the wetlands. And a Six Flags over the Ancient Kingdoms of Judah.
Right, like Israel doesnt kill civilians (oops - more palestinian civilians have died by a factor of three in the intifada than Jews, even if you exclude suicide bombers as victims)
If you're chosen, step up!
which is more important - peace? Or land?
what agreements are you referring to specifically? im not expecting an answer, israel supporters tend to clam up when someone calls them on their histrionic "facts"
1993 Oslo-stage 1, Israel and Palistinians agree to recognize right of other to exist
1995 Oslo-stage 2. Interim agreement; Israel withdraws from much of the West Bank and Gaza; Palistinian Authority established, PA is recognized by Israel.
1997 Israel redeploys out of Hebron understanding it will not become haven for terror attacks on Israel
1998 Israel redeploys more troops out of disputed areas, Palestinians agree to correct violations of Oslo accords
2002 Saudi Peace Initiative, Israel to pull back to pre-1967 borders, PA to suppress terror attacks, critical part of agreement is Palestinian refugees cannot stay in Lebanon--Lebanese does not want to take care of them, have to move back to unoccupied territories
August 2005 Israel leaves Gaza Strip and more of the West Bank, control and governance given to PA
September 2005 Hamas pledges to respect cease fire
Oct 2005 Fatah wins majority over Hamas to rule, fighting between the two
Nov 2005 rockets begin being fired into Sderot and other areas of Israel
Jan 2006 Hamas wins majority, vow to never recognize Israel. Worldwide boycott of Hamas govt with supplies, goods until recognition of Israel
June 2006 Palistinian Authority announces truce, Israeli soldier kidnapped, 2 others killed; Israel invades Gaza to get soldier back, stop rocket attacks
July 2006 Hezzbollah invades Israel from Lebanon, kill 3 kidnap 2 soldiers, war with Hezzbollah in Lebanon begins
August 2006 Cease fire negotiated through UN
Nov 2006 Israel/PA announce truce for Gaza strip, Israel maintains truce, rockets continue to be fired from Gaza
Feb 2007 Hammas and Fatah reach truce; Hammas restates it will never recognize Israel, U.S./Israel say must recognize Israel, cease terror attacks, disarm terror groups; Hammas refuses
Or should I clam up to fulfill your expectations? Palestinians have broken every truce, agreement, cease fire and rockets continue to rain down on Israel from Gaza.
Off to Dunkin Donuts.
In any case, even if Israel is 100% right and Palestinians 100% wrong, so what? If Jews are chosen, they should just get over it and take a loss for love.
Until you understand that Israel wants peace and its enemies want the destruction of Israel you will never understand this conflict. Your blindness equates to ignorance.
Tzeth'a Leshalom VeShuvh'a Leshalom. Go in peace and return in peace.
Comparing the Nazi army to the Palestinians is a sick joke. The Palestinians are an occupied people; Germans were not. Israel is one of the most well-armed and wealthiest societies in history; German Jews were not.
The cause of the conflicts in the levant is that the Jews decided they could take Palestine by force in 1947 because God promised the land. That Muslims cant accept their presence sucks, but it's the reality. Jews have chosen to fight, rather than accept that reality. So Israel wants peace? Maybe, but they want to win more.
Palestine has been to the mid-East like Belgium to Europe, always under some other country or nation. Roman, Egyptians, finally the Ottomans. Until WW1 and the partition from the Ottoman Empire Jews and Arabs lived somewhat peacefully together. It was not until the U.N. resolution establishing Israel that the violence escalated. And it was not until the 1970's that the Palestinians engaged in terrorist acts outside of Israel, and obviously not until late '80s and early '90s that we became targets from non-Palestinian Arab/Muslim groups using Israel as their cause celebre initially to mask their desire for a worldwide Islamic caliphate.
Your last line is a head scratcher, for an Israeli there is no difference for if they do not "win" they know there is no peace as they will continue to be attacked and terrorized until there are no Jews or Israel, or both, left. They choose to defend themselves, if you wish to call this fighting then so be it, yes continue to fight against those who put bombs on children and send them into buses and markets, fight agains those who set up in schools and homes and use them as bases to fire rockets into Jewish homes and schools.
Ultimately the Jews were offered Israel by the U.N., why would they have said "no?"
I know none of this will matter to those who hate Israel or see some type of moral equivalence between defending against suicide bombers and the suiced bombers themselves. And because we cannot see eye to eye our expectation is that those living in the environment day after day will?
You've wasting your time with these morons. They only know how to parrot the propaganda of the exterminators.
Oy.