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  835

  5 months ago

  Great. Another demon Bush with his finger on the button. I'd feel safer with a chimp in the Oval Office.
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  835 are you serious? How many attacks on American soil since 9/11? And on 9/12/2001 did you think almost 7 years would pass with no more terrorist attacks? Outside of Iraq and Afghanistan how many terror attacks against Americans/American interests? What an inane and vapid statement, make it on DailyKos and let them all tell you how incredibly insightful and clever you are; I would change my animal analogy however as the PC crowd will probably blow you up over it. Safer? Please pull your head out and look at facts. While tired of it, I get the Bush Derangement Syndrome, sort of like Clinton Derangement Syndrome from 180 degrees, it totally obscures reality except as told by Olberman, New York Times editorials, college professors, your really cool and hip friends with their Che shirts. Since 9/11 you are safer from any Islamic terrorist than you are any gang banger terrorist living within 2 miles of your home (if you live anywhere in LBC) but I guess that is Bush's fault as well, maybe that is what you mean, you feel safe from external terrorists but not internal gang bangers living near your home killing anyone not their homey.
  
  Find a chimp and try to get it elected so you can curl up at night and feel safe. Let us all know how that goes for you.
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  Kelson

  5 months ago

  Hmmm. Before 9/11 I was safer from any Islamic terrorist than from any gang banger terrorist living within 2 miles of my home. But I guess the lack of parades of flag-waving, AK47-toting A-rabs down my street is all due to the dilligence of George W! Praise be!
  
  Is this guy for real?
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  You really think you were safer prior to 9/11? Why because they chose New York and Washington DC instead of the Port of Long Beach for their acts? Prior to 9/11 there were numerous acts of terror against the U.S. for many years, since? How many? Any of our ships blown up in foreign ports? Any discos blown up where our soldiers were relaxing? Any embassies bombed? Any office buildings bombed? Are you ignorant of history or just choose to pant the party line? It just amazes me that people think had Bush let 9/11 go and not gone after terrorists where they were entrenched that the acts of 9/11 would have been a singular event. Yeah I'm for real, and thankfully most Americans in 2000 and 2004 were are well when they went to the polls.
  
  Some of you may remember some of these, some no doubt were in diapers or not born when the terrorist attacks began, note as well that Iranian taking of U.S. Embassy in Tehran not even listed:
  
  September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners taking off from various locations in the United States in a coordinated suicide attack. In separate attacks, two of the airliners crash into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, which catch fire and eventually collapse. A third airliner crashes into the Pentagon in Washington, DC, causing extensive damage. The fourth airliner, also believed to be heading towards Washington, DC, crashes outside Shanksville, PA., killing all 45 people on board. Casualty estimates from New York put the possible death toll close to 5,000, while as many as 200 people may have been lost at the Pentagon crash site.
  
  Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.
  
  Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
  
  In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.
  
  June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
  
  July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.
  
  June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.
  
  Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.
  
  April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.
  
  February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.
  
  Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259 people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11 people on the ground.
  
  April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the aircraft.
  
  April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin. The disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack kills one American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44 Americans
  
  In response, on April 15 the United States retaliated in an operation dubbed ‘El Dorado Canyon.’ Approximately 100 aircraft were launched in direct support of the raid. It was an attack against military targets involving land-based bombers from Great Britain together with carrier-based air strikes from ships in the Gulf of Sidra.
  
  December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against U.S. and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international airports. 20 people are killed in the two attacks, including four terrorists.
  
  November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American. Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60 people are killed.
  
  October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille Lauro (in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia) Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and thrown overboard.
  
  August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany kills two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity papers is found a day after the explosion.
  
  June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start of a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually released in Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut.
  
  June 1985 - In San Salvador, El Salvador, 13 people are killed in a machine gun attack at an outdoor café, including four U.S. Marines and two American businessmen.
  
  April 1985 - A bomb explodes in a restaurant near a U.S. air base in Madrid, Spain, killing 18, all Spaniards, and wounding 82, including 15 Americans.
  
  November 1984 - A bomb attack on the U.S. embassy in Bogota, Colombia kills a passer-by. The attack was preceded by death threats against U.S. officials by drug traffickers.
  
  October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a French base kills 58 paratroopers.
  
  April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut kills 63, including 17 Americans.
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  i notice most of the terrorist incident you cite happened when reagan or ghw bush were president, thats why we cannot afford another republican in the whitehouse! they are soft on terror.
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  ps
  jeb bush wont stand a chance in 2012 or ever for that matter. the "bush" brand is irrevocably tainted now.
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  You're right, they took the same approach as Clinton--trying to use the U.S. criminal justice system to prosecute terror. Not until we treated it as a war and not as crime did the attacks stop against the U.S. And re: Jeb having opportunity you are probably right there, about as much chance as any Clinton winning again. Despite your flip remark it has been a Republican President that has stopped a continuous line of terror attacks against the U.S. and a Republican that has the best policy to continue to keep us safe.
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  shark transformer pylon

  5 months ago

  i heard hillary and jeb are going to try to throw grenades and proximity mines at osama
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  who was president on 9/11? who had been president since 1-02? where are the perpetrators of the first wtc bombing? where are the perpetrators of 9/11? looking forward to your answers.
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  what "continuous line of terrorist attacks" are you referring to? must be some info only republicans have access to.
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  Kelson

  5 months ago

  Mr. JBush2012 also seems to forget all the attacks that have occured *after* 9/11 as well (Madrid, London, several in Indonesia, etc), but like Lynne Cheney, maybe our JBush2012 only thinks events are significant within the lower 48? Not likely given his extensive list prior to 9/11.
  
  It also seems odd that he didn't include the terrorist bombings in Baghdad and Tehran that we funded through the CIA. Seems he has a selective memory.
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  835

  5 months ago

  Jeb Bush, George Bush, George W, Bush...they're all great guys if you're into war, budget deficits, corruption, fear, greed, inflation, division, incompetence, buffoonery and general chaos.
  
  Personally, I prefer good things, but maybe it's just me.
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  Andy

  5 months ago

  Jeb Bush--If you thought Bush was a moron, you'll be totally ready for Jebby--he's even more anti-science, anti-logic, anti-civil liberties than his bro. As a Florida resident for far too long, we had to endure the whole Terri Shiavo is alive debacle, gutting of environmental and coastal protections, destruction of the state's pension system, and, of course, decimation of consumer protections if there's a bank in the mix.
  
  Not to mention his crazy-ass wife. His election would guarantee a Supreme Court full of religious zealots. But don't worry, now the right wing nutters are talking up his son, an attorney (shocked?), as a potential candidate.
  
  And, since 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Bush hadn't been elected, it seems that JBushh2012 is a bit removed from the cause/effect line of reasoning. It's easier to spout bumper sticker BS and cut-n-paste from righty wingnut sites.
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  Kelson

  5 months ago

  ... and with Jebby we'd probably get Bill "I know she's alive from thousands of miles away" Frist as Surgeon General.
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  You guys are like an Ausie cracker race. Anything original and not six years old you can come up with? No? BTW are we responsible for the security of Spain, England, Indonesia, etc? I mean you want to restrict the ability to keep our own citizens safe but you put their safety at the President's desk? Speaking of morons.
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  are you ignoring my questions jbush2012?
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  Andy

  5 months ago

  Re: #15
  
  Yeah, that whole 9/11 is so six years ago.
  
  How about the wasted lives, bodies, and families that have been wrecked by the whole unnecessary war in Iraq? How abut the deterioration of Afghanistan because of the distracted focus on Iraq, you genocidal troll? Is that current enough for you?
  
  are you ignoring my questions jbush2012?
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  "Genocidal troll", very lucid and appropriate spew from your posts on this website. Ask the tens of thousand Iraqi women who have not been raped by Saddams regime how they feel, ask the tens and tens of thousands not murdered by his regime. History will judge you the fools you are; just as it judged all the imbiciles ranting at Reagan that he was starting a nuclear holocaust by his threat to place missiles in Germany. How did that go for you.
  
  F* you and your "genocidal troll" comment, it makes everything you said irrelevant and from a child.
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  Kelson

  5 months ago

  Aaah beautiful. Which of the tens of thousands not murded do we ask? The ones who died as a result of our invasion? Oh I forgot. Those were all insurgents! I guess freedom is untidy and separating a few souls from a few bodies is just more untidiness. So who is next in your list for libration, Mr. JBush2012? Is it Myanmar? Is it Zimbabwe? Sudan? North Korea? Cuba? Afghanistan? Doh, I forgot. We did that one already. I guess we have to do it again so keep it on the list. How did you, Mr. JBush2012, decide Iraq should have higher liberation priority than Darfur or other places on this list?
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  Andy

  5 months ago

  You post in hypotheticals. And yet you answer no factual assertions, nor respond to legitimate questions.
  
  And then throw a verbal temper tantrum.
  
  Who is the child?
  
  If the original purpose of the war was to remove Saddam Hussien from power because he was ruthless despot, would you have supported the invasion? Would you have supported that without any exit strategy whatsoever? Keep in mind, that was NOT the reason we went in there.
  
  Can you answer any question without bringing up Reagan, because Bush's regime has been such an unconditional failure?
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  JBush2012

  5 months ago

  I answered the question before you posed it with a list of attacks, or are you too lazy to read? We went into Iraq with no exit strategy, same as with all wars. Wars can be planned all you want but as soon as the first shot is fired the plan is shot as well. Why Iraq, are you ignoring the U.N. resolutions year after year after year? But "Bush lied about WMD" they whine, bullcrap, no more than Clinton lied about them, or his CIA director or any Western or Mid-East country lied about them. Why don't you educate yourself instead of spouting Howard Dean rhetoric, look up the Senate record listing the 20+ reasons for going to war with Iraq. But I guess doing a little work is beyond your character, you would rather just spout and parrot one another. Ignore history and it will repeat itself, your ignorance of most recent history is dangerous and if enough people are similarly ignorant it will repeat itself. Finally, "9/11 wouldn't have happened if Bush wasn't President" may rank as the stupidest of all the comments made on this website since it started. It shows ignorance and a total lack of knowledge of history, international relations and political reality. Congratulations you earned your card in the 9/11 Truther Society.
  
  Enjoy your mutual stroke fest from now on, you waste my time.
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  that has to be one of the most ridiculous winger post ever, it would be number one if you had managed to work in moveon.org, the aclu and "activist judges"
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  Kelson

  5 months ago

  But howardx, how do we keep him going? Ah, I know!
  
  Mr. JBush2012, I am pleased to see that you are a fan of U.N. resolutions, but can you tell me why we have not deployed our miltary to support the rest of the U.N.'s resolutions? How come it is such a winger talking point to bash the U.N. and the loss of America's "sovereignty" and then suddenly we had an obligation to go enforce the "U.N.'s will?"
  
  I don't understand how you can keep all these contradictory incantations from FoxNews straight: "Hate the U.N." "Enforce the U.N's will" "Destroy the U.N." "But the U.N. wants us there" etc...
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  howardx

  5 months ago

  good lord kelson! they have been going on for the last 8 years, lets let him shut up if he wants to.
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  Andy

  5 months ago

  Really? You don't initiate a war having an exit strategy? Sure, if you plan on staying there forever. I guess you'll be very happy with a McCain presidency, then.
  
  Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, Clinton's been out of office for almost eight years. When does Bush's accountability take over? When will you admit that he was briefed on the 9/11 terrorists' plans, but DIDN'T act?
  
  Remember when all the Iraq oil was gonna pay for the war? Will it pay for the eternal occupation? The Iraqis don't seem too happy with that prospect. But screw them, they're not a sovereign state, anymore. They'll do what's in our best interest.
  
  Sadly, JBush2012, you're the one who might do well to learn from history. Hell, you could learn from a 7th-grade civics class. (Notably, again, you didn't address any of the questions from previous posts).
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