I think the only thing more shocking than finding out he was a fake, was not knowing it already.
howardx
· 1 year ago
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Kelson
· 1 year ago
Hey everybody, I'm "John_B":
Don't look at the fact that Joe was a tax-evading, unlicensed plumber! He's a regular guy who doesn't pal around with terrorists! And if you read the actual text of what he said, you'll undoubtedly realize that despite the fact that you might be right about everything, you will simply be dazzled by my spin!
Andy
· 1 year ago
I was gonna say "good one," except that it was way too brief and to the point to be John_B.
But John_B beat me to it.
John_B
· 1 year ago
Lol….that was pretty good, Kelson, in a juvenile, Simpsons-esque sort of way. Are you sure you aren't really Andy or howardx?
I do find it interesting that a 34 yr old divorced fellow just trying to earn a living and make his way in the world is suddenly being investigated and pilloried to the degree that Mr. Wurzelbacher is.
Interesting, mind you, but not particularly surprising.
Aren’t liberals supposed to be all about understanding and helping out the working man, the “regular guy”? Aren’t Democrats supposed to be the fair ones, the “compassionate” ones?
Apparently they're far more selective about their compassion and understanding than we have previously been led to believe.
Case in point:
The Democrat Presidential candidate encounters and dialogs with Mr. Wurzelbacher, a self-described plumber, accepts his story and his profession at face value, answers his questions honestly and directly and nothing more is said about it.
Enter the Republican Presidential candidate who also accepts Mr. Wurzelbacher’s story and his profession at face value, and later refers to his dialog with his opponent to make a very important point during one of the debates, and does so extremely effectively.
Why, we can’t have that!
Suddenly everyone is putting Mr. Wurzelbacher under a microscope. He’s "a tax-evading, unlicensed plumber"!…ooh this is just terrible!
At the risk of being accused of attempting to confuse anyone with what’s generally referred to as “context”, I’ll offer these facts and then one simple question:
Fact 1. Mr. Wurzelbacher works as a plumber. Generally when someone works in a trade like plumbing or electrical, licensed or not, they refer to themselves as a plumber or an electrician and everyone else generally thinks of them as such. Should Wurzelbacher be licensed? Apparently so. Does his being unlicensed in any way render his questions, his concerns or his situation irrelevant? Certainly not.
Fact 2. Unless I’m mistaken, there’s no evidence that Mr. Wurzelbacher is “tax-evading”. He owes back taxes. And? So do I. So do many folks I know. This isn’t “evasion”, Kelson, though I realize that it suits your need to pillory conservatives generally and Mr. Wurzelbacher specifically to say so.
One Simple Question: Why was no one particularly concerned about “Joe the Plumber” until Senator McCain chose to use his situation to illustrate a very important point?
howardx
· 1 year ago
his own words make his "concerns" irrelevant
"Joe the Plumber admits he would receive tax breaks under Obama Joe, who said he makes much less than $250,000, reluctantly admitted Obama would lower his taxes.
"I would, if you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cuts," Wurzelbacher said."
howardx: Does it matter, at all, that Mr. Wurzelbacher never once said that he made $250k a year? That claim was a spin from the liberal media that made it their mission to discredit him the second he dared to confront Obama on his tax plan.
What Mr. Wurzelbacher actually SAID was: "I'm gettin' ready to buy a company that makes $250...about $250...$270-80 thousand a year, your new tax plan's gonna tax me more, isn’t it?"
So according to his original comment and premise, he was correct, Obama's tax plan will, indeed, tax him more. And Obama, himself, conceded that this was, in fact, *correct*.
Do the facts matter to you at all? This is not a gimmick, howardx, it is the media completely misdirecting its viewers from the issue and it is you and other gullible liberal media consumers allowing them to do it.
Come on people, you need to be far more attentive and far less prone to manipulation than this!
howardx
· 1 year ago
joe the scab plumber (thats what you call unlicensed non union plumbers) was just another lame ass gimmick from mccain that failed.
LB City Girl
· 1 year ago
John B, the point is that just as McCain should've with his VP pick, he should've vetted "Joe the Plumber" more fully. If he can't do a thorough job on this kind of stuff, what kind of President is he going to be?
John_B
· 1 year ago
What's to vett? Mr. Wurzelbacher is precisely who and what he said he was. He works as a plumber so he calls himself a plumber. During public statements since that original encounter, Obama, himself has referred to Mr. Wurzelbacher as a plumber.
Because he IS one!
Do you feel Obama is equally disqualified for not "vetting" Mr. Wurzelbacher "more fully" before referring to him as a plumber in subsequent public statements? Or do you ascribe to the same double standard so many others, here, do?
Palin wasn't vetted? Really? She served with distinction both as Mayor and Governor and had an extremely high approval rating among her constituents at the time that she accepted the nomination for VP.
Palin was, indeed, vetted. You just don't happen to like her. That's fine, don't like her. I don't like Biden but my dislike has nothing to do with whether or not he was vetted.
Come on, LB City Girl, the concerpt of responsible self-government is extremely important!
We need to be more intellectually honest than this!
Andy
· 1 year ago
Shorter John_B (to save you typing time, you have my permission to cut and paste this):
Facts/reporting/official findings against Palin's qualifications/McCain's lobbyist associates = intellectual dishonesty
Discredited stories linking Obama and Ayers = Gospel truth
If Palin was vetted, it's showing what a crappy job they did. Don'tcha know (wink).
LB City Girl
· 1 year ago
"the concerpt[sic] of responsible self-government is extremely important!
We need to be more intellectually honest than this!"
I couldn't agree more.
Andy
· 1 year ago
Senator McCain's very important point was that John the faux Plumber would do better under Obama's tax plan? Nice to have you in our camp, John_B.
P. M.
· 1 year ago
I find it just at odd that a tax evading, non-plumber, pretending to be and undecided voter, is stupid enough to stand up on National TV with a guaranteed high viewership and pretend to be something he's not, to sway other people's opinion and not expect to be exposed.
You're just another Republican Neo-Con apologist for the type of very bad behavior that purport to be against when you're on your Soap Box with a Bible in your and hollerin' Hollier Than Thou Am I.
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A fabulous creation
A danceable solution
To teenage revolution.....
Don't look at the fact that Joe was a tax-evading, unlicensed plumber! He's a regular guy
who doesn't pal around with terrorists! And if you read the actual text of what he said, you'll
undoubtedly realize that despite the fact that you might be right about everything, you will
simply be dazzled by my spin!
But John_B beat me to it.
I do find it interesting that a 34 yr old divorced fellow just trying to earn a living and make his way in the world is suddenly being investigated and pilloried to the degree that Mr. Wurzelbacher is.
Interesting, mind you, but not particularly surprising.
Aren’t liberals supposed to be all about understanding and helping out the working man, the “regular guy”? Aren’t Democrats supposed to be the fair ones, the “compassionate” ones?
Apparently they're far more selective about their compassion and understanding than we have previously been led to believe.
Case in point:
The Democrat Presidential candidate encounters and dialogs with Mr. Wurzelbacher, a self-described plumber, accepts his story and his profession at face value, answers his questions honestly and directly and nothing more is said about it.
Enter the Republican Presidential candidate who also accepts Mr. Wurzelbacher’s story and his profession at face value, and later refers to his dialog with his opponent to make a very important point during one of the debates, and does so extremely effectively.
Why, we can’t have that!
Suddenly everyone is putting Mr. Wurzelbacher under a microscope. He’s "a tax-evading, unlicensed plumber"!…ooh this is just terrible!
At the risk of being accused of attempting to confuse anyone with what’s generally referred to as “context”, I’ll offer these facts and then one simple question:
Fact 1. Mr. Wurzelbacher works as a plumber. Generally when someone works in a trade like plumbing or electrical, licensed or not, they refer to themselves as a plumber or an electrician and everyone else generally thinks of them as such. Should Wurzelbacher be licensed? Apparently so. Does his being unlicensed in any way render his questions, his concerns or his situation irrelevant? Certainly not.
Fact 2. Unless I’m mistaken, there’s no evidence that Mr. Wurzelbacher is “tax-evading”. He owes back taxes. And? So do I. So do many folks I know. This isn’t “evasion”, Kelson, though I realize that it suits your need to pillory conservatives generally and Mr. Wurzelbacher specifically to say so.
One Simple Question: Why was no one particularly concerned about “Joe the Plumber” until Senator McCain chose to use his situation to illustrate a very important point?
"Joe the Plumber admits he would receive tax breaks under Obama
Joe, who said he makes much less than $250,000, reluctantly admitted Obama would lower his taxes.
"I would, if you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cuts," Wurzelbacher said."
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=586_1224255260
another mccain gimmick.
What Mr. Wurzelbacher actually SAID was: "I'm gettin' ready to buy a company that makes $250...about $250...$270-80 thousand a year, your new tax plan's gonna tax me more, isn’t it?"
So according to his original comment and premise, he was correct, Obama's tax plan will, indeed, tax him more. And Obama, himself, conceded that this was, in fact, *correct*.
Do the facts matter to you at all? This is not a gimmick, howardx, it is the media completely misdirecting its viewers from the issue and it is you and other gullible liberal media consumers allowing them to do it.
Come on people, you need to be far more attentive and far less prone to manipulation than this!
Because he IS one!
Do you feel Obama is equally disqualified for not "vetting" Mr. Wurzelbacher "more fully" before referring to him as a plumber in subsequent public statements? Or do you ascribe to the same double standard so many others, here, do?
Palin wasn't vetted? Really? She served with distinction both as Mayor and Governor and had an extremely high approval rating among her constituents at the time that she accepted the nomination for VP.
Palin was, indeed, vetted. You just don't happen to like her. That's fine, don't like her. I don't like Biden but my dislike has nothing to do with whether or not he was vetted.
Come on, LB City Girl, the concerpt of responsible self-government is extremely important!
We need to be more intellectually honest than this!
Facts/reporting/official findings against Palin's qualifications/McCain's lobbyist associates = intellectual dishonesty
Discredited stories linking Obama and Ayers = Gospel truth
If Palin was vetted, it's showing what a crappy job they did. Don'tcha know (wink).
We need to be more intellectually honest than this!"
I couldn't agree more.
You're just another Republican Neo-Con apologist for the type of very bad behavior that purport to be against when you're on your Soap Box with a Bible in your and hollerin' Hollier Than Thou Am I.