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The District Weekly: CHAMBER’S GORDON LOSES ELLIS RECALL BID–BUT STILL ‘THE MAYOR’ | The District Weekly

  • Dwight K Snider · 1 year ago
    (Note: The following is a copy of a comment I submitted to lbpost.com regarding its usage of the Chamber's press release.)

    Sorry, the LBPost gets a big red "F" on this one! This is not reporting the news; it is a case of repeating a source of the news and a blatant example of biased propaganda. Running the verbatim full text of the Chamber’s statement without any attempt to balance the story with input from Mr. Ellis or allow him to counter with his perspective is disingenuous to say the least.
  • Fred P · 1 year ago
    The difficulty with the chamber's recall is that the number of signatures needed far exceeds the turnout in almost any election in that district; something above 6000 signatures. My understanding is that several signature collectors were actually warned by building managers not to go door knocking for their own safety. As for the LBPost "reporting" DKS seems to be reaching--a la Bill Pearl but without the jealousy--for printing a "news release". Get over it. Criticize other outlets for printing it as well. Failure on this was originally by Lowenthal for pulling out and letting Ellis have the seat--after Shannon failed and let him on the ballot despite failing residency requirement. In the end the guy (Ellis) is a low life and our kids are better if he just creapt under a rock in someone else's district.
  • John · 1 year ago
    How ironic to see Ellis slap the disgusting hypocrite Gordon!

    It's so amazing that Gordon, with a straight face, can volunteer his time as an "auctioneer" at the annual fundraising dinner for Miller Childrens Hospitals Childrens Cancer Center while his union for businesses fights "green" Port legislation that could conceivably lessen the amount of Long Beach schoolchildren dying from cancer each year, whose cancer is possibly due to Port pollution. All the while boasting about helping Long Beach schoolchildren by removing one of five Schoolboard members. I'll see him at the dinner this June, and hope I don't throw up my expensive meal while this scab jumps around the room.

    I now find out what businesses belong to his union so I can make sure to never patronize them, if at all any way possible.
  • Dave Wielenga · 1 year ago
    Hey Fred, I appreciate your insights regarding the nuts and bolts of how Ellis ended up on the board. Yours, too, John, regarding the blind business-always mindset that drives the Chamber's PAC.
  • lbresident · 1 year ago
    In the event that the harmful teacher union candidates were to win and form a majority on the board, it was a good thing someone was focussed on recalling Ellis. It's a moot point now. Good prevailed.
  • John · 1 year ago
    I can't agree with you that they were harmful; I thought all the candidates were very well qualified. What was harmful was a previous Board member who (supposedly) admittedly showed up to Board meetings unprepared, and simply agreed with the LBUSD recomendations (agreeing like the current majority on the Board). His "teacher union candidate" replacement has done an excellent job.

    Obviously Ellis is a disgrace (just like Randy Gordon), but I doubt that the LBUSD or the Press-Telegram investigated other Board members (except maybe Barton) like they have Ellis.

    By the way, does anyone know if it's true that the LBUSD provides funding to the Press-Telegram for Kevin Butler's LBUSD public relations announcements?
  • lbresident · 1 year ago
    For me this isn't about the PT. It isn't really even about the chamber. They do some good things for the city and some things that are not so good.

    What this is about is not letting the teacher's union control the school board. We don't want to end up like LAUSD. We are fortunate to have a school district that for the most part is run well. If anything we need to move further away from the teacher union influence. Things like pay for performance, vouchers, and other "choice" based initiatives would be helpful for our kids but they can never happen if the union is controlling things.
  • John · 1 year ago
    If all you know about the School Board, it's members, and TALB is gleaned from the Press-Telegram, then I say to you that you are only getting one tainted side of things and are not fully informed.

    I certainly disagree with your opinion that vouchers and teacher pay based on test results are helpful for our kids. Not being disrespectful, but did you learn about those items in the Press-Telegram also?
  • Truckin' · 1 year ago
    Actually, it was Foster (backed by the Chamber) who sabotaged the city council's support of hotel workers. He used a rare veto to kill the council's "labor-peace" measure in early '07.
    He then sided up with Chamber interests again this year to crush the Teamster-led effort to organize port truck drivers.
  • Dave Wielenga · 1 year ago
    Actually, in the end, it was Foster's THREAT to use his veto that caused the council to back down from the "labor peace agreement" it had passed after negotiating it through several incarnations ... and that came after the Chamber had collected enough signatures to force a referendum.
  • Fred P · 1 year ago
    John I know a lot about the teachers union, an awful lot. And to the background checks on candidates not Ellis or Barton, those currently sitting are all long, long time Long Beach residents and volunteers--we're talking decades of involvement before being on the school board. Stanton and Meyer have children who went through the district and grandchildren in it. Barton and Ellis were carpet baggers. Barton has been much better than Ellis, but still the background in the community is missing. John, good luck with your boycott, you will have to do all of your business outside of the city probably as the Chamber has an incredible membership that is very active supporting our city and ensuring a healthy business environment. By the way, if others supported your boycott do you have any clue how many people would be out of jobs? An overwhelming majority of the Chamber membership is small and medium sized businesses; from small home based businesses to places employing 5, 10, 20 people--businesses like The District Weekly are typical. But I guess it is okay to just be anti-business. By the way, before Gordon came the Chamber was broke and on the verge of insolvency--he saved it, stabilized it and grew it to a healthy and vibrant organization. The only organization in the city standing up for businesses, employers and job retention and growth in the city.

    Ellis can still be removed but someone else inside TALB will need to dish some dirt on the process under which he came in; now with McVarish gone there is a chance.
  • Dwight K Snider · 1 year ago
    For sometime now I have been toying around here with the idea of being a citizen journalist. Yesterday, I googled "citizen journalist" and to my surprise discovered that such an animal actually exists. I would like at this time to share some of the information I discovered on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    According to the seminal report, "We Media: How Audiences are Shaping the Future of News and Information" citizen journalism, also known as public or participatory journalism, is the act of citizens "playing an active role in the process of collecting, reporting, analyzing and disseminating news and information." Authors of the report, Shayne Bowman and Chris Willis, continue: "The intent of this participation is to provide independent, reliable, accurate, wide-ranging and relevant information that a democracy requires." Citizen journalism should not be confused with civic journalism, which is practiced by professional journalists. Citizen journalism is a specific form of citizen media as well as user-generated content.

    In a 2003 Online Journalism Review article, J. D. Lasica classifies media for citizen journalism into the following types:

    1.) Audience participation (such as user comments attached to news stories, personal blogs, photos or video footage captured from personal mobile cameras, or local news written by residents of a community). 2.) Independent news and information Websites. 3.) Full-fledged participatory news sites. 4.) Collaborative and contributory media sites. 5.) Other kinds of "thin media." (mailing lists, email newsletters). 6.) Personal broadcasting sites.

    Freelance journalist Mark Glasser who frequently writes on new media issues offers the following:

    "The idea behind citizen journalism is that people without
    professional journalism training can use the tools of modern technology and the global distribution of the Internet to create, augment or fact-check media on their own or in collaboration with others. For example, you might write about a city council meeting on your blog or in an online forum. Or you could fact-check a newspaper article from the mainstream media and point out factual errors or bias on your blog. Or you might snap a digital photo of a newsworthy event happening in your town and post it online. Or you might videotape a similar event and post it on a site such as "Youtube."
  • John · 1 year ago
    "Truckin", what happened is Foster pushed the Long Beach Port Commissioners into eliminating the employee only status in the Long Beach plan in favor of allowing "owner operators", which is the current failed trucking system in the ports. He bent over for the trucking special interests,
    saying it was to avoid litigation, which was a joke as the trucking special interests sued anyways. Fortunately, the Port of Los Angeles Commissioners are much more savvy, and understand that without structured trucking companies who will be able to reinvest in equipment down the road, and maintain the current equipment, pollution controls and the plan itself wil not be effective or sustainable. Not to mention the security and safety aspects of having someone whose background and experience etc has been verified legitimately. Poor Long Beach, always a Mayberry RFD with Floyd, Goober, Arnold et al next door to the big city.

    I do understand that the Teamsters were pushing for this, but they can't organize an independant "owner operator" as it's illegal. And even if they are employees someday, it is far from certain that they will unionize. Aside from such few unionized trucking companies anymore or even successful organizing drives, these guys cultural differences and beliefs make it a slim chance that they'll unionize. It's really just a BS line from the Chamber of Commerce or some other such group, that the employee only requirement in the LA plan is just a front for Teamster representation.

    Fred Fred Fred, I am not antibusiness, just anti-asshole. I am your average Joe Citizen, my economic impact is minor. I do know that my church, favorite restaurants and some other establishments I patronize do not belong to Randy "hypocrite" Gordons union. I did learn my bank and favorite coffee house pay dues to him, so I will take my business elsewhere-after I tell them why. Interesting how businesses have reacted to this when in the past I have withdrawn patronage with an explanation. And there are more than enough businesses that do not drink Gordons kool-aid. I am so glad he revitalized the Chamber, and I hope you and the rest of his members are proud of the Chamber anti-pollution legislation positions. Is that what you call "ensuring a healthy business environment"? And also "actively supporting the city"?

    Pay close attention to Gordon, and you'll find he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. If I paid dues to belong to his union I'd be considering withdrawing very seriously.
  • lbresident · 1 year ago
    John, choice leads to competition. Competition leads to improvement. Accountability also leads to improvement. Currently, teachers are not held accountable and there is no competition. That said, a lot of teacher's are good and the reasons for poor student performance are driven much more by absent or non-caring parents than anything else.
  • John · 1 year ago
    lbresident, no disrespect but your response sounds like a canned george will position. The issue is much more involved and should not be compared to a simplistic business statement. And with the failed NCLB Teachers are held accountable to a degree are they not?

    I think the world of Teachers, and obviously so do the majority of voters, as proved when arnold tried to demonize them. Additionally, another good example was a few years ago when the superintendant and the Schoolboard incumbents stupidly took some consultant's advice and sent certain letters out, at the taxpayers expense, bashing the Teacher supported Schoolboard candidates. Talk about receiving free campaign mailers! We know the results.

    I do agree with you that the parents are most responsible for poor student performance. The schools spend more on the poor performers, it seems like, at the expense of the performers.
  • A.A. · 1 year ago
    The LB Chamber's political program is OVERRATED. They are just fortunate enough to have the PT as their no/low cost PR machine. The truth of the matter is they consistently lose campaigns in the field, and the Ellis recall would have required a field strategy and able management of such. How much money did Gordon and his yes men waste? The Chamber should get away from the dark side and dump Lord Vador, Randy Gordon.
  • lbresident · 1 year ago
    I don't know whether it sounds canned or not but I believe the union is not only bad for students, it is bad for good teachers. Why good teachers support a structure that pays them the same as bad teachers I will never understand.

    Regardless, I'm glad we agree that the real source of our educational problems is bad parents. Parents who value education have children who value education.
  • John Galt · 1 year ago
    Dave,

    You were in Mexico too long to understand this in a big picture sense. The Chamber has always been a loser until 2007, with many losses, and most always thought that a Chamber endorsment was the kiss of death. They were contunally defeated until the unions had other things to do than support the policies monetarily. This "win" was a lucky draw for the chamber, as all Chamber insiders were girding for a loss with labor peace agreement and the wal-mart deal. Just ask anybody on the inside of the Chamber how confident they were before Schipske pulled her vote.

    As for Ellis, this is not a loss for Gordon. They have lost before, but they pound it into the ground until they can't go anymore, then they spin it into a win. No, this was a calculated win for them. The only reason why the Chamber came out on top in the School Board elections is because MIchael Ellis is on the Board.

    WIthout Michael Ellis, TALB is stronger. On the board, TALB is weak and split. The Chamber needs Michael Ellis.

    I like you Dave, but trust someone who has been around, this was a calculated decision. The day before the election, the Chamber was still ready to pump money intogetting signatures. They need, and want Ellis on the board.
  • John · 1 year ago
    I agree. The chamber (of horrors) should dump this "annoying" (doug krikorians word) hypocrite before his rabid-dog behaviour bites it in the ass. I think he feels he's invincible due to his limited past successes. Certainly members of his union don't want to be painted by the same brush that he's been busy painting himself with. How do you think his members will feel when their position welcoming Port pollution, pollution that affectes Long Beach schoolchildren, becomes well-publicized?

    I know Teachers who I would bet are amazing with their classroom kids, who have devoted years to teaching, who support TALB to this day. They tell me they would have had the 1% non-retroactive raise had it not been for TALB, when they received the 4% retroactive raise. I feel our Teachers are way underpaid, and it infuriated me that the LBUSD wanted to shortchange them the last time around. Additionally, the proposal for an "Inspector General" in the LBUSD made a lot of sense. Too bad the powers that be aren't interested in someone looking over their shoulder. See what Laura Doud is accomplishing in the city?
  • John · 1 year ago
    John, don't forget that many heard how rotten Ellis is, over and over, from the Chamber union, and how he HAD to go.

    Don't believe that informed people won't think less of gordon and his union after their sorry bail-out.